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[Threewolves]

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[Karl Blanchard]

https://app.leg.wa.gov/wac/default.aspx?cite=220-412-080

[trophyhunt]

Too many people don’t understand how points work in our system resulting in unrealistic expectations of drawing a tag because they have ’X’ amount of points.

We have the same system as Nevada and at least they explain how it works compared to WDFW.

https://www.ndow.org/blog/bonus-point-program/

Bonus points are squared by species category to determine how many random numbers from 1 to 99 million will be drawn from the random number generator. The lowest of the random numbers for each species category will be assigned as the “draw” number for that species category application. For example, if an applicant has 10 bonus points for antlered elk, you square 10 to get 100 and add 1 (applicant with zero bonus points is assigned 1 random number) for a total of 101 random numbers with the lowest being the draw number assigned to the antlered elk application

Odds aren’t good when the random numbers generated is from a scale of 1 to 99 million.

Ive been a witness a couple times and my biggest complaint was the amount of random numbers they draw from. The people that run the draw don’t think it matters, but in my pea brain it does. 1-to infinity compared to 1- to the total amount of names in the hat, makes more sense to me.

[CarbonHunter]

Too many people don’t understand how points work in our system resulting in unrealistic expectations of drawing a tag because they have ’X’ amount of points.

We have the same system as Nevada and at least they explain how it works compared to WDFW.

https://www.ndow.org/blog/bonus-point-program/

Bonus points are squared by species category to determine how many random numbers from 1 to 99 million will be drawn from the random number generator. The lowest of the random numbers for each species category will be assigned as the “draw” number for that species category application. For example, if an applicant has 10 bonus points for antlered elk, you square 10 to get 100 and add 1 (applicant with zero bonus points is assigned 1 random number) for a total of 101 random numbers with the lowest being the draw number assigned to the antlered elk application

Odds aren’t good when the random numbers generated is from a scale of 1 to 99 million.

Ive been a witness a couple times and my biggest complaint was the amount of random numbers they draw from. The people that run the draw don’t think it matters, but in my pea brain it does. 1-to infinity compared to 1- to the total amount of names in the hat, makes more sense to me.

I never really understood the need for the random number assignment. Essentially you can be drawn first and receive a random number of 10 million as I understand it. Why do t they just assign sequential numbers and remove the duplicates after all the people in the draw get a number?

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I didn't realize that was the number they used. 1-99M. That dilutes someones points, even squared points, astronomically. That's the difference between a preference point and a near worthless bonus point I guess.

[trophyhunt]

I didn't realize that was the number they used. 1-99M. That dilutes someones points, even squared points, astronomically. That's the difference between a preference point and a near worthless bonus point I guess.

exactly, it totally waters down the numbers!  I never heard about the 1-99million, I was always told 1 to infinity.  I’d love to see a program that could do the numbers and see if odds approve if they didn’t do 1 to infinity.

[huntnnw]

I have 29 points as of now, no poacher points, bull and quality elk.   Put in every year

I guess that would be right, because you have to count 1996 as 1, not 0. So you’ll apply this year with 30 then, right?

(It’s hard to say that out loud and not get frustrated for you)

exactly and yes, it’s frustrating.  But I’m getting used to it now, used to put me in a pretty good depression after the results.  Now, the past 4-5 years, I just expect not to draw.  You’d think the “bull” catagory would be a given

the grande ronde "bull tag" is harder to draw then a quality tag.. good ole wdfw. There should be no " bull" and "quality" categories . It should be 1 category for bull elk nobody is forcing people to apply for the units they choose

[trophyhunt]

I have 29 points as of now, no poacher points, bull and quality elk.   Put in every year

I guess that would be right, because you have to count 1996 as 1, not 0. So you’ll apply this year with 30 then, right?

(It’s hard to say that out loud and not get frustrated for you)

exactly and yes, it’s frustrating.  But I’m getting used to it now, used to put me in a pretty good depression after the results.  Now, the past 4-5 years, I just expect not to draw.  You’d think the “bull” catagory would be a given

the grande ronde "bull tag" is harder to draw then a quality tag.. good ole wdfw. There should be no " bull" and "quality" categories . It should be 1 category for bull elk nobody is forcing people to apply for the units they choose

I agree that there should only be ONE category for bull elk, I haven't put in for the blues in years.  Would have loved to drawn in the good ole days though. 

[MeepDog]

The max number of random numbers that are available has no change on the odds. Theres no cap on how many applicants are allowed so they assigned a higher number for a higher resolution. It literally does not matter at all until it there arent enough numbers for applicants. What matters is the number of tags allotted and the number of applicants and their points.

Personally as a humble peon with under 10 points, I think if you want to draw just put in for a worse tag while you're still young. Thats what these max pointers should have been doing for the past 20 years.  lower expectations to the floor and you're more likely to achieve your goals.

[trophyhunt]

I didn’t put in for the easier draws because I wasn’t wanting to hunt 240” 6 points with hoof rot, and when you start getting points built up, it’s a trap to thinking you will draw the next year! Lol. 

[Dan-o]

I didn’t put in for the easier draws because I wasn’t wanting to hunt 240” 6 points with hoof rot, and when you start getting points built up, it’s a trap to thinking you will draw the next year! Lol.

It really is a trap.
You feel invested like you're  making progress, when points creep can make you go backwards.

[CarbonHunter]

I have 29 points as of now, no poacher points, bull and quality elk.   Put in every year

I guess that would be right, because you have to count 1996 as 1, not 0. So you’ll apply this year with 30 then, right?

(It’s hard to say that out loud and not get frustrated for you)

exactly and yes, it’s frustrating.  But I’m getting used to it now, used to put me in a pretty good depression after the results.  Now, the past 4-5 years, I just expect not to draw.  You’d think the “bull” catagory would be a given

the grande ronde "bull tag" is harder to draw then a quality tag.. good ole wdfw. There should be no " bull" and "quality" categories . It should be 1 category for bull elk nobody is forcing people to apply for the units they choose

I agree that there should only be ONE category for bull elk, I haven't put in for the blues in years.  Would have loved to drawn in the good ole days though.

There should be one category for ELK. That’s how you will really see tags get issued. Ya there will still be some hunts that are hard to draw but if you are good with a cow tag it should be much easier to draw.

[kentrek]

I think with more education people would stop blaming points, treat washington sytem as a random draw and you will live a much happier life....getting upset over not drawing a tag with 1 in 100 year odds is pretty dumb

As your odds get skewed even a weighted point system ressembles a random draw.. its simply a bell curve of years in the system and the shape of that curve...the only system that improves over all odds is one that restricts the number of applicants like idaho with there pick either sheep or deer

Ps....pretty sure this is my year for a sheep tag 

[Karl Blanchard]

I think with more education people would stop blaming points, treat washington sytem as a random draw and you will live a much happier life....getting upset over not drawing a tag with 1 in 100 year odds is pretty dumb

As your odds get skewed even a weighted point system ressembles a random draw.. its simply a bell curve of years in the system and the shape of that curve...the only system that improves over all odds is one that restricts the number of applicants like idaho with there pick either sheep or deer

Ps....pretty sure this is my year for a sheep tag 

  spot on.

[Ridgerunner]

There's only one reason that it essentially becomes a random draw, that's because the number of permits offered is so low that it doesn't allow the squaring of the points to really have the effect they sold us.  Back when the state used to provide draw data, if you looked at the palouse buck tag and who was drawing that tag it was operating as it was intended.  Only problem was that tag had like 600 permits.  It was the only tag in the state with really enough points to allow those with higher point totals better odds.  Since so many of our hunts have such few permits it really does turn into a random draw scenario. 

If they ever went Mule deer to a draw only and were giving out 600 or 800 tags per unit, you would see that those with higher points would typically be the ones drawing the tags which is what they sold us on when it was implemented.