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Offline TeacherMan

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Re: New proposals to limit gun rights
« Reply #15 on: August 08, 2008, 10:45:15 AM »
I guess I will have to disagree with the majority on this post. Global warming isn't a scam, I actually have done 100's of hours of research in that area from polar ice cap thinning to ocean levels rising in temp and volume. Watch the one degree factor, ignore the hype and media, try and look at the facts. You are correct in thinking that this has been drug out by the media, but only in one way, uneducated facts. I've been fortunate enough to be part of several grants that have let me help educate my students. I have taught environmental science at the college level with great success. I don't want to get into a huge debate with you but I'm a scientist by degree, and I have learned that you have to put aside your opinion and look at the facts, not what your buddies say or what sounds cool. I hate to say Global Warming is true, are we going to die tomorrow, no. As for Aids, it has killed more people than all the wars combined and the black plague on top of that, by the year 2010 it will have killed over 21 million people, your correct not near the 7 billion that area on our planet, but a significant portion. Just because its not happening in your back yard doesn't mean that it isn't happening. Parts of Africa have Aids percentages climbing near 50%  :'( Just wanted to say my two bits.  ;) With all that said trust me I'm not a tree hugger, I just want our planet to be here so my daughters can enjoy it opportunities like I have. I would hate to say to my grand children, there use to be this great carnivore called the polar bear, but because of our ignorance and greed we let them go extinct. The greatest conservationist are the greatest hunters.
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Re: New proposals to limit gun rights
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2008, 08:49:26 PM »
Global warming is not the debate. Man caused global warming is. 

There are too many scientist on both sides to say the science is settled.  The models most are using can not even match historical knowns.  For instance, the UN's model did not even use el nino and la nina and other widespread atmospheric variables in their models.  Most people forget they were growing grapes in Greenland prior to the 12th century.  6 centuries prior to the industrial revolution. 

There has been no warming observed in the last 10 years, according to the NASA satellites.  The man caused assumption, that the politicians are willing to tax the world for billions of dollars makes me suspicious.  The politicians will seek only the science that agrees with them so that they can get their hands on that much money. Additionally, they have the carbon market now, which has made that market a place to make money so that too taints the focus of their science.

I don't say it is not possible, but I do say it is too early to hamstring the western worlds economies in response to the limited science. 

If you pay attention to the Kyoto Protocols, they limit the developed WESTERN world.  No wonder the rest of the non-western world was so much in support.

TeacherMan, not to challenge you with any malice, but have you read the contrary science that is out there?    There is a substantial amount of data that comes to contradictory results, which only means the conclusion is, we don't know.

As a scientist, I would hope that you would want to look at all the data and the research that challenges your conclusions.  As Descarte would implore you, be skeptical of everything.

I have references if you are interested.

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Re: New proposals to limit gun rights
« Reply #17 on: August 09, 2008, 07:59:39 AM »
Nobody I know has aids. Not sure I am worried at the moment. Nobody that I am aware of which I have known previously as a friend or in my family has or had aids. I have seen that a lot of people who (not all) contract the disease seem to get it from behaviors which they can avoid. Aside from blood doning or accidents of course. What I mean is people having sex with other people who are promiscuous, needle sharing and dirty tattoo needles (needle sharing of another form). In Africa people who have aids have sex and are irresponsibly passing it on to their partners and new born kids. Of course these behaviors would cause the numbers of aids to grow to epidemic proportions but when looking at the problem in my back yard it is better contained. If contained is the correct word for such a thing. I know that if I am careful (not hard to do) to avoid needles which are dirty, kissing people who I don't know (not happening), do not get blood transfusions (Not in need of any at the moment) and do not have unprotected sex with random strangers then I will be better off (I have a wife so that is not likely).

As far as global warming is concerned. Yeah scam. Look at that idiot Al Gore and his carbon spewing mansion. What a friggin hypocrite. He's hoodwinked a lot of people! He also wants them people to buy carbon credits from a company that he has large investments in: http://seaspook.blogspot.com/2007/08/inconveient-facts-for-al-gore.html



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Re: New proposals to limit gun rights
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2008, 11:26:05 AM »
Emperor Nickels the Pink. His order is the definition of Knee Jerk. But I don't believe it will stand up to a legal challenge.  All this clown wants is to be famous after he leaves office, which can't happen soon enough >:(

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Re: New proposals to limit gun rights
« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2008, 11:16:32 AM »
I want the global warming people to tell me why my garden froze August 31?  Between the deer, the wild turkeys and Al Gore, it ain't a winning situation.

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Re: New proposals to limit gun rights
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2008, 01:39:03 PM »
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I want the global warming people to tell me why my garden froze August 31?  Between the deer, the wild turkeys and Al Gore, it ain't a winning situation.

Global Warming isn't about turning the whole planet into San Diego in July and it doesn't mean you wont see freak events like an August freeze or a May snow squall. Or the July 31st snow fall I saw on one camping trip.

GW is about frozen Sea ice melting into the ocean and changing the temp a few degrees. The Earths weather patterns are driven by ocean temps and currents. Ironically, melting Polar ice may be the cause of your garden freeze.

As far as being man caused? Ya gotta wonder. Right now, RIGHT NOW How many Gas-Diesel Boats, Planes, Trains,Automobiles, Lawnmowers are running? How many Coal fired power stations? Forest fires, Campfires, Wood stoves?  There's a lot of countries clearing trees like there's no tomorrow and not replanting.

I'm not really concerned about it. I'm being selfish. Past middle age, leaving no one behind :twocents:

Uh-ummm Gun Rights, ya that was the topic huh?
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Re: New proposals to limit gun rights
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2008, 02:01:56 PM »
I just want the GW alarmist crowd to explain the melting polar regions on Mars and other planets in our Solar system.  Once they do that and stop dismissing the sun as a major player in the GW debate, then maybe I can listen to some of their silly claims.

I wonder how Greenland was once forrested, before man was around?
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Re: New proposals to limit gun rights
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2008, 02:33:39 PM »
I just want the GW alarmist crowd to explain the melting polar regions on Mars and other planets in our Solar system.  Once they do that and stop dismissing the sun as a major player in the GW debate, then maybe I can listen to some of their silly claims.

I wonder how Greenland was once forrested, before man was around?
Well we used to live on the other planets,and then and then we moved to earth and now and now we are screwing this up to! Ohh chicken little where are you when we need ya.lol. call me old fashioned I believe in God what happens will happen .I dont believe in the form goo to you by way of the zoo!they believe we crawled out of the sea. well if the ice caps melt they can crawl back just wont be as far :twocents:

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Re: New proposals to limit gun rights
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2008, 01:24:54 PM »
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I just want the GW alarmist crowd to explain the melting polar regions on Mars

I didn't know they found melting ice/glaciers on Mars. Already melted is something else...

 


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