Lake Washington Sockeye

[huntnphool]

From the WDFW Facebook page...

"WDFW,

I am very curious to know in what way it is ok for the Tribe(s) to be netting the Ballard Locks at low water, with the gates closed?

This is happening as we speak, and a crowd of tourists are clapping with each fish netted.

I understand that there are certain privileges given to the tribes for fishing and hunting.

This seems to me to be taking clear advantage of the system. I might be wrong, and that is what I would like to know.

But to be able to have the locks shut the gates, and then net... That to me just doesn't seem right.

I am not trying to stir the pot, but would like to know if this is really allowed, or if this is a special program?

Thankyou."

[Dhoey07]

 

[nwwanderer]

I understand the concept of 50%. I understand that the local rituals involved.  Put a simple gate on the lock, build a simple net pen on the top side, direct every other fish into the pen and let the locals harvest them any way they like out of the pen.  They may even choose to let them loose after needs are met.  Could do the same at Bonneville but a lot more complicated with the numbers and species involved.  Flame away

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

Not sure why a non native salmon species is even allowed to be netted?  Maybe I will need to some research on the introduction and see who has any rights to these salmon?

[huntnphool]

 I heard from a reliable source friend of mine yesterday that a couple of the tribes are allowed to harvest some of the sockeye for "ceremonial and subsistence" purposes.

 This is not a natural run of fish, why are they entitled?

[singleshot12]

I heard from a reliable source friend of mine yesterday that a couple of the tribes are allowed to harvest some of the sockeye for "ceremonial and subsistence" purposes.

 This is not a natural run of fish, why are they entitled?

That "ceremonial and subsistence purpose thing" is a joke and is being abused by continuing to have nets in the water any time of the year and basically do what ever they want.

[birdmanwa]

I heard from a reliable source friend of mine yesterday that a couple of the tribes are allowed to harvest some of the sockeye for "ceremonial and subsistence" purposes.

 This is not a natural run of fish, why are they entitled?

Wtf! The tribes have our state by the balls. The ceremonial thing is a bunch of bull for a run that didn't even exist back in the day.

[NRA4LIFE]

That fishery is a thing of the past in Lake Washington.  There will never be enough getting into the lake for it to happen.

[Badhabit]

I saw in a WDFW release that Fishery managers and the tribes take about 200 per week for scale and other sampling from the locks area. Some other entity pays for the testing.

[Dhoey07]

"Hi again Danny,

If the fish are being netted in the Ballard Locks, those fish are not going to C&S, instead they are collected for biological sampling purposes. Every year the state and the tribes jointly sample somewhere around 800 -1200 fish. We take scales from these fish to determine age composition of the return as well as to using their otoliths (inner ear bones) to determine the proportions of hatchery vs naturally produces fish. The tribes net the fish and WDFW staff are a little ways up the ship canal where the fish are dropped off and WDFW staff sample the fish. Very rarely do they ever use dipnets for C&S fisheries, they would instead likely use gillnets."


Response I got when I emailed the Salmon Specialist.

[Colville]

There weren't any elk in the central cascades either.  But they are taken ceremonially, and essentially at any other time. All that matters is that the tribe exists in order to make an ancestral claim, not whether they have an actual ancestral connection to the species.

[lokidog]

"Hi again Danny,

If the fish are being netted in the Ballard Locks, those fish are not going to C&S, instead they are collected for biological sampling purposes. Every year the state and the tribes jointly sample somewhere around 800 -1200 fish. We take scales from these fish to determine age composition of the return as well as to using their otoliths (inner ear bones) to determine the proportions of hatchery vs naturally produces fish. The tribes net the fish and WDFW staff are a little ways up the ship canal where the fish are dropped off and WDFW staff sample the fish. Very rarely do they ever use dipnets for C&S fisheries, they would instead likely use gillnets."


Response I got when I emailed the Salmon Specialist.

This is like the Japanese saying they are only killing a few whales for "scientific purposes".....   

They could easily take scales and heads from sport harvested fish, if nothing else, they should add the fish taken for "sampling" to the total count, if this is actually the case. 

[huntnphool]

"Hi again Danny,

If the fish are being netted in the Ballard Locks, those fish are not going to C&S, instead they are collected for biological sampling purposes. Every year the state and the tribes jointly sample somewhere around 800 -1200 fish. We take scales from these fish to determine age composition of the return as well as to using their otoliths (inner ear bones) to determine the proportions of hatchery vs naturally produces fish. The tribes net the fish and WDFW staff are a little ways up the ship canal where the fish are dropped off and WDFW staff sample the fish. Very rarely do they ever use dipnets for C&S fisheries, they would instead likely use gillnets."


Response I got when I emailed the Salmon Specialist.

 This is not a natural run of fish, why are the tribes involved at all?

[Katmai Guy]

My understanding is it's a joint effort hatchery between the tribes and WDFW, if not all the natives.

[Dhoey07]

"Hi again Danny,

If the fish are being netted in the Ballard Locks, those fish are not going to C&S, instead they are collected for biological sampling purposes. Every year the state and the tribes jointly sample somewhere around 800 -1200 fish. We take scales from these fish to determine age composition of the return as well as to using their otoliths (inner ear bones) to determine the proportions of hatchery vs naturally produces fish. The tribes net the fish and WDFW staff are a little ways up the ship canal where the fish are dropped off and WDFW staff sample the fish. Very rarely do they ever use dipnets for C&S fisheries, they would instead likely use gillnets."


Response I got when I emailed the Salmon Specialist.

 This is not a natural run of fish, why are the tribes involved at all?

My guess.......They are co-managers of the water, not an individual species of fish.