Wedge Pack: More cattle attacked in Stevens County (poll and letter)

[CedarPants]

If the ranchers don't like it, then sell their ranch and move.

I've yet to come across a rancher that doesn't like where they live.  Not one.  You've got it all backwards GH - YOU don't like where they live. 

You are more than welcome to come knock on doors in the N.E. and tell us to get out. Let me know how that works out for you

[GameHunter1959]

It is all part of the territory. If the ranchers don't like it, then sell their ranch and move. Nobody is forcing them to stay here.

You think the ranchers wanted wolves on their territory you are kindly mistaken...... Nobody is forcing them to stay here.... But they are being forced to deal with a predator that doesn't care about anything beyond itself and greed for the kill.... The wolf has been forced upon us.... Not my choice..... Nor theirs..... They are dealing with it the only way they can legally do so..... Cry me a *censored* river..... I bet if that was your back yard and your precious dog/cat/child/ livestock/whatever came up missing or found to be a possible wolf attack your opinion would change.....     Good luck here....

Please explain to me where I stated "I think ranchers wanted wolves on their territory." You have the wrong member of the forum.
That is awesome that they are dealing with it legally. Never said they were not. Don't know what your speaking about in crying a censored river for? I don't disagree with what the ranchers are doing. Just said if they can't take the HEAT then MOVE!! and stop crying about it. It is part of being a rancher. Some are forced to deal with wolves, grizzlies, etc. Some are NOT.
If it was my dog, cat, etc like you stated, my opinion would not change, because I support the ranchers. I would shoot the entire pack. AGAIN, just saying...if the ranchers are that UNHAPPY THEN MOVE. I never said it was EASY TO MOVE.  Ranchers sell their ranch and move all the time. Usually they sell the livestock and equipment with the ranch.

[KFhunter]

You're way behind the information curve - perhaps you need to do some reading and get back to us.
 

[GameHunter1959]

Well if I am behind then so is everyone else, because I am reading the same info everyone else in the forum is. You are just trying to pile on, because I said the ranchers should move if they are that unhappy etc. That does not phase me. The truth is, wolves are here to stay. The wolves have all the power. They are not going anywhere, so learn to deal with it. And if a rancher or anyone else harms one, then I hope it is worth the prison time. Go ahead forum and pile on, because I really don't care about a bunch of opinions from people I don't know in a chat room. And for all the people CLAIMING there are wolf attacks happening over and over again. I have yet to see any PROOF!! It is all a bunch of wildlife diehards, that spend their off season in the forum telling tales. Show me a video something. Trail cam pics of wolves means nothing. I want to see a ranch wolves on it attacking livestock before I beleive anything. I called the game department regarding some the the claims on here. I was told to not feed in to BEARPAW, because he tends to blow things out of context and makes assumptions without knowing the facts. Not saying BEARPAW is WRONG, just passing on what the game department told me to be aware of. In other words....it is nothing more then internet chatter, tales, stories, etc.

[fishunt247]

So Gamehunter, you are saying that you would give up a career and livelihood that you have worked for (and your fathers and grandfathers have probably worked for and passed down) all because someone new rolled into town and threatened to take away everything you have? BS. You'd fight for it. That's what these ranchers are doing. 

[sebek556]

What game do you hunt biggamehunter? All of your post have been on wolf topics and we cant hunt those.... i think your just trolling, and should walk up the basement stairs and tell your mom good night.

[CedarPants]

I always get a kick out of people who take the time to share their opinion in a forum then claim they don't care about what people say in a forum.

I'm trying to hear you out GH,  but you're all over the place and i can't really pinpoint what point you are attempting to make 

[fishunt247]

I called the game department regarding some the the claims on here. I was told to not feed in to BEARPAW,

You listened to the game department because why? Because they are genuine stewards of wildlife who have the health of this state's herds and flocks in mind? Jesus. You clearly haven't been around this state, or this issue, very long.

[Kola16]

I think we have a wolf loving hippie who doesn't actually hunt.

[GameHunter1959]

So Gamehunter, you are saying that you would give up a career and livelihood that you have worked for (and your fathers and grandfathers have probably worked for and passed down) all because someone new rolled into town and threatened to take away everything you have? BS. You'd fight for it. That's what these ranchers are doing.

AGAIN, another forum member that does not take the time to read my post. I said I SIDE WITH THE RANCHERS!!!! I also said that it is part of being a rancher dealing with grizzlies, wolves, elk, etc. and if it IS THAT BAD, then sell your ranch and MOVE. I also said I would shoot THE ENTIRE PACK. READ before you leap into forum suicide and make yourself look stupid.

[KFhunter]

I kind of wish they'd release more pictures.  The McIrvins have more class then that though, they are good people and are trying to do it the right way.  They are not liars or con artists nor are they going to milk the system.  They've stood up and said we will not take handouts to shut us up.  I had a lot of respect for them before this all happend and have even more now.  I may even go up and volunteer come round up time. God knows I've chased a lot of cattle up in that country   
 
But maybe some pictures of chewed up bloody calves with their asses hanging inside out would placiate people like you.  The WDFW confirmed the attacks I don't really know what else you'd need.

[GameHunter1959]

Unlike some of the other forum members; I take the time to understand both sides of the issue. I don't like or want wolves in Washington. Why? because IMO they damage livestock and the wildlife population I love to hunt. But I also beleive ranchers should not be PAID for damages. Why? because IMO it is part of the elements (CONS) of being a rancher. I understand that it is not as simple as "selling your ranch and moving." Just saying, if it is THAT BAD!! then nobody is forcing them to stay if they feel powerless in the situation, because the game department or whoever ties their hands. I always look at sensitive issues from all sides, unlike some that pick a side and ramble on with no knowledge of the facts. The facts are that wolves are here to stay and if your a rancher then accept the fact, that you are forced to deal with them. Maybe NOW you have a better understanding of where I am coming from....

[CedarPants]

Can you clarify GH  - if you were a rancher would you leave the land you love or would you shoot the entire pack?  The former isn't as cut and dry as just packing up and starting over somewhere else, and the latter is illegal.

Just looking for clarification

[sebek556]

Yup know where your coming from. Your mommas basement 

[fishunt247]

I read your post. I didn't think I was committing "forum suicide" by pointing out that just selling a livelihood isn't a valid option. It's ridiculous, actually,

By your logic, since I am a teacher, if a kid were to come to school with a gun and shoot me, I couldn't complain because it comes with the territory? Or a police officer's wife couldn't complain if her husband was shot in the line of duty?