Wolf poachers - would you turn one in?

[Gringo31]

True, but I bet it would be different by species.

A guy poaching a big horn is worse than a guy shooting a raccoon out of a pickup.  A guy letting a deer rot to me is worse than a guy shooting an extra goose.  We all have our lines of where the law needs to be involved.

[h2ofowlr]

First of all no one here is advocating pulling the trigger illiegally or promoting SSS..... Simply stating that NO they would not turn in someone who did. I most definately would not turn in any individual who shoots a woof!! I am not even sure that I would turn myself in for shooting one in self defense.....

Let's face it, if the same poll was for bear, deer, elk, grouse etc.....it wouldn't be a 100% in favor of turning people in poll result.

Correct!  We are not comparing apples to apples.  The WDFW is bringing them in and they are not going to be grazing on greens.  They will be killing the game in this state 7 days a week.  365 days a year.  Don't release them and their are no ethics questions.  You release a half dozen pitbulls in my neighborhood and I bet they would be gone within a day or two.

[JLS]

No one in WA will be able to run cattle in open range in just a handful of years if this continues.

That might be a bit of a chicken little statement.  I have a very good friend that runs a lot of cattle in areas that have been populated by wolves for years.  They do suffer economic losses, but a well run cattle operation should not go bankrupt simply because of wolves.

So tell me does your friend lease open range and run cattle on public lands in Washington?  My statement was regarding open range, not private lands, and in the state of Washington. 
I stick by my statement.

Open range in WA, ID, and OR.  I stick by mine also.

[bobcat]

First of all no one here is advocating pulling the trigger illiegally or promoting SSS..... Simply stating that NO they would not turn in someone who did. I most definately would not turn in any individual who shoots a woof!! I am not even sure that I would turn myself in for shooting one in self defense.....

Let's face it, if the same poll was for bear, deer, elk, grouse etc.....it wouldn't be a 100% in favor of turning people in poll result.

Correct!  We are not comparing apples to apples.  The WDFW is bringing them in and they are not going to be grazing on greens.  They will be killing the game in this state 7 days a week.  365 days a year.  Don't release them and their are no ethics questions.  You release a half dozen pitbulls in my neighborhood and I bet they would be gone within a day or two.

OK, I'm no fan of wolves but let's not make up stuff. The WDFW is not bringing wolves into the state. Where did you get that idea?

[Sawbuck]

First of all no one here is advocating pulling the trigger illiegally or promoting SSS..... Simply stating that NO they would not turn in someone who did. I most definately would not turn in any individual who shoots a woof!! I am not even sure that I would turn myself in for shooting one in self defense.....

Let's face it, if the same poll was for bear, deer, elk, grouse etc.....it wouldn't be a 100% in favor of turning people in poll result.

Correct!  We are not comparing apples to apples.  The WDFW is bringing them in and they are not going to be grazing on greens.  They will be killing the game in this state 7 days a week.  365 days a year.  Don't release them and their are no ethics questions.  You release a half dozen pitbulls in my neighborhood and I bet they would be gone within a day or two.

OK, I'm no fan of wolves but let's not make up stuff. The WDFW is not bringing wolves into the state. Where did you get that idea?

Why do you think they haven't?

[Sitka_Blacktail]

You guys that are trying to say poaching is poaching NO MATTER what kill me!

So according to you law abiding , BY the BOOK guys,

YOU dont speed? come to a complete stop at every stop sign, never throw a gum wrapper out the window, throw a cigarette butt out the window,  slow to 35 on the curve,  YA right.

To hell with them wolves and anyone who supports them. Bitch about hunting but yet support wolves!! you got issues.. :

RTSPRING

Had to think about this a bit. But there's a couple big difference between speeding and illegally shooting wolves.  First, my word is not going to get someone else arrested for speeding. It MIGHT get an LEO to keep an eye out for your rig, but that's about it. And a speeder is certainly breaking the law. And he's making a choice usually to consciously break a law. But his speeding doesn't affect mine or anyone else's right to drive.  Only his own if he gets too many tickets. It doesn't matter how many speeding tickets are written, as long as I keep my nose clean, I'll still be able to drive. But someone illegally shooting a wolf could lead to a curtailing of hunting for myself and others. It probably wouldn't happen over one dead wolf but if it started happening regularly, that could be one of the consequences, hunting seasons closed. How would you feel about turning in a wolf poacher then?

If you think I'm just being dramatic, I fish salmon in Alaska for a living. We already live under the threat of having our fishery closed if dead seals or sea lions are found that were shot and can be linked to someone in our fishery. The feds believe in a heavy hand in these situations. Think IRS heavy handed. They like to make examples to scare people off from breaking the law. I'm not saying I agree with this method of law enforcement, just saying it is what it is.

[villageidiot]

  If you remember that Aldolf Hitler made it punishable to not report a Jew.  It was the law he made to force people to turn in Jews and nearly everybody abided by the law , BECAUSE IT WAS THE LAW.  So if you call anybody that kills a wolf a poacher because THE LAW says so then you are a sheep and being led to the slaughter.  So when you are required to turn in your guns, will you do that because it's the law.  If the King decides to require you to burn your bible, will you do that?  ITS' THE LAW.
  Just because it's the law does not always make it right.  If we sit on our hands and do nothing the law will not change.  We must get off our duffs.  Make phone calls, write letters, attend meetings and speak up.    The world is run by the people that show up.    SHOW UP!

[TheHunt]

Good post Villegeidiot...

[jackmaster]

ya know its obvious we are never gonna be able to do a damn thing about wolves and what cracks me up is in a few years when these wolves are as thick as coyotes, which they will be, the anti's and liberal *censored*s are gonna be cryin up a storm that their dogs and kids are getn killed and they will whine about how they cant go out and enjoy nature for the fear of being attacked, and then they will sue the state and WDFW for not containing numbers and they will win and then the people posting on this very thread that would turn in a poacher will be singing a differant tune on how the wdfw messed it all up....... I SAY SHOOTEM WHEN YA SEE THEM, and if you see someone shootn one dont be a friggin lowlife rat, now some will say if you shoot a wolf then what is to stop you from shootn other animals illegally, well anyone on this huntn site would turn anyone in for poachn a deer,elk, bear,sheep, goat or anything other than a wolf then i can guarantee that i and anyone else would turn their ass in, so you peeps that think we wouldnt because we wouldnt turn in a wolf poacher need to come up with a differant angle.........

[boneaddict]

I expect them to actually replace coyotes or many of them.   

[jackmaster]

I expect them to actually replace coyotes or many of them.

[Special T]

Do you think they will inhabit areas like the Columbia basin? That will make for BIG coyotes to hunt! Maybe i don't need an AR just keep my 06?

[GrousePointer]

ya know its obvious we are never gonna be able to do a damn thing about wolves and what cracks me up is in a few years when these wolves are as thick as coyotes, which they will be, the anti's and liberal *censored*s are gonna be cryin up a storm that their dogs and kids are getn killed and they will whine about how they cant go out and enjoy nature for the fear of being attacked, and then they will sue the state and WDFW for not containing numbers and they will win and then the people posting on this very thread that would turn in a poacher will be singing a differant tune on how the wdfw messed it all up....... I SAY SHOOTEM WHEN YA SEE THEM, and if you see someone shootn one dont be a friggin lowlife rat, now some will say if you shoot a wolf then what is to stop you from shootn other animals illegally, well anyone on this huntn site would turn anyone in for poachn a deer,elk, bear,sheep, goat or anything other than a wolf then i can guarantee that i and anyone else would turn their ass in, so you peeps that think we wouldnt because we wouldnt turn in a wolf poacher need to come up with a differant angle.........

A different angle? Ok, wolves can be seen as a public safety problem right? Like it would be helpful to know where packs are active and denning to prevent unfortunate encounters with man and bird dogs right?

The WDFW will never make specific information like that available if poaching of wolves becomes prevalent. So essentially you'll compound the problem for the public as the wolf population expands.

Thanks for nothing.

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[bearpaw]

Do you think they will inhabit areas like the Columbia basin? That will make for BIG coyotes to hunt! Maybe i don't need an AR just keep my 06?

They are all over eastern Montana now. 

[jackmaster]

ya know its obvious we are never gonna be able to do a damn thing about wolves and what cracks me up is in a few years when these wolves are as thick as coyotes, which they will be, the anti's and liberal *censored*s are gonna be cryin up a storm that their dogs and kids are getn killed and they will whine about how they cant go out and enjoy nature for the fear of being attacked, and then they will sue the state and WDFW for not containing numbers and they will win and then the people posting on this very thread that would turn in a poacher will be singing a differant tune on how the wdfw messed it all up....... I SAY SHOOTEM WHEN YA SEE THEM, and if you see someone shootn one dont be a friggin lowlife rat, now some will say if you shoot a wolf then what is to stop you from shootn other animals illegally, well anyone on this huntn site would turn anyone in for poachn a deer,elk, bear,sheep, goat or anything other than a wolf then i can guarantee that i and anyone else would turn their ass in, so you peeps that think we wouldnt because we wouldnt turn in a wolf poacher need to come up with a differant angle.........

A different angle? Ok, wolves can be seen as a public safety problem right? Like it would be helpful to know where packs are active and denning to prevent unfortunate encounters with man and bird dogs right?

The WDFW will never make specific information like that available if poaching of wolves becomes prevalent. So essentially you'll compound the problem for the public as the wolf population expands.

Thanks for nothing. really thats the new angle.... sorry but i am a realist, that info would never be made available whether there was poaching or not, hell the wdfw cant even find the wolves they have collared, so try somethn else, i would rather you just be honest with everyone here and quit beatn around the wolves tail, are you really humanure back for round 2....... seriously though if you havent kept up on current wolf issues as reffering to idaho, and montana the you my friend are very naive, the big problem is washington is more populated than these other states, can you tell me what makes you think that washington has management all figured out when states like idaho and montana started with less wolves and they are also states that depend alot on out of state hunting monies, so you tell me how liberal washington is gonna handle this when we have to have more wolves before they get delisted. i can tell you.... by a few good men killn them when they see them and it still wont put a dent in them.... before you know it we will be spending millions to erradicate them AGAIN..... KILLEM ALL AND KEEP' QUIET 

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