Pope & Young and minimums

[huntnphool]

I don't care for P&Y or B&C's scoring methods and think SCI's is much better than both.

Agreed. I've always wondered about a water displacement method, which would measure only the volume of growth.

That would be a great way to do it too, everything grown counts.

[jess]

I like SCI scoring method and what they do for hunting in general,  but should your hard earned WILD fair chase trophy be compared to a high fence caged hunt animal? 

[carpsniperg2]

I like SCI scoring method and what they do for hunting in general,  but should your hard earned WILD fair chase trophy be compared to a high fence caged hunt animal?

I have been a member of sci and can tell you that is not always the case. A lot of them have separate categories for each style of hunting

[kentrek]

im sure itl keep going up,its a money themed idea so if its no longer "cool" to have your name in the books peaple will stop paying money to have there "trophy" listed..sales will drop..eye brows will be raised..then theyl fix the problem..which prety much means boosting the min score.

but what happens 35 years from now when theres twenty pages of 375 bulls,190 mule bucks,160 blacktails ? its gona get to the "boring to even look at point ? esp with how much peaple focus on only shooting for horns these days

[jess]

I didnt know that carpsniperg2, I looked through one of thier record books a few years ago and didnt remember seeing that.. I just know animals that dont qualify as fair chase for B&C and P&Y can be entered in SCI..

[carpsniperg2]

Yes some animals they do it for and some they don't.

Here is a list to there top 10's if you click the drop down bar you will see north american game and then you will see north american game "estate" they have most seperate and do not put them together

http://member.scifirstforhunters.org/members/RB/view_minimums.cfm

[carpsniperg2]

Take rocky mountain elk for example:

The north American record is like 438 for typical.

If you look at rocky mountain estate its like 518 for typical.

[huntnnw]

I don't care for P&Y or B&C's scoring methods and think SCI's is much better than both.

I do not agree with their systems knocking an animals score down due to imperfections in antler or horn configuration when is mother nature perfect? they are all unique and should be credited for everything they grow

Moose for example is a really bad...they get 0!! credit for any tine length..some of the biggest moose in North America dont even come close to the B@C because of their scoring system. This would be like scoring a bull elk..by counting points, 1 circumfrence measurement, a width and beam length..this does 0 justice to the true size of the animal

[boneaddict]

Moose do seem to get the shaft with BC and Pope.    Just this morning I was looking at a monster and he won't score very well compared to what "he should".   

[Battle Ready]

How about a rich guy category..and a poor guy with a family category! Just kidding of  course,  but it  would  be refreshing  to have a scoring system  that truly reflects true exceptional mature specimens. I too dislike deductions.. ..a perfect diamond  is nearly worthless.. but small imperfections created by nature makes them worth more.

[groundhog]

I agree that the minimums should be raised. I also like the idea of having a total displacement measurment.

[Todd_ID]

I think the definition of a "trophy class" animal has changed in your mind, and you would like to see the books changed to match your definition of trophy.  As I look through the minimum scores all I see are trophy animals at those minimums; yes, I consider your 2x2 blacktail that is 90+ inches to be a trophy with a bow.  Boone and Crockett Club maintains world-class animal records for all weapon types; Pope and Young maintains archery trophy animal records: two very different categories and thus very different minimums. 

I, too, have taken critters that meet the minimums but have never entered them.  My reason is that entering an animal costs money and that money can be gained by entering more and more animals instead of the books being used as a true record of trophy class animals which would only be obtained by free entry and free information distribution.  I salute them for what they've done for hunting, but I choose not to financially support them.

[boneaddict]

good discussion

[jess]

I agree bone this is a very good topic..

[huntnphool]

should your hard earned WILD fair chase trophy be compared to a high fence caged hunt animal?

Absolutely not, they can have a separate category.