Sea Sheperd has a rough day in the 9th Circuit Court

[PlateauNDN]

i am all for hunting but i will never see the point in killing whales or dolphins, not in this day and age anyways, i understand that it was necesary back in the day or even for some of the real remote eskimos, if they want to kill sea going creatures then come here and kill the sealions i guess, idk i just dont agree with killn whales i guess

Then, if you're a hunter, you favor killing of some animals over another based nothing more than emotion to justify your stance.

The responsible harvest of any animal should be supported by hunters, especially when the food is part of centuries old diet and customs, as is the case with whales and Japan. Whales became endangered with over-harvest and have been protected for many decades. They've now rebounded to numbers not seen since the early 1800s. If populations can be monitored and conservation of the resource is made a priority, then we can use science to determine harvest goals, the same way we do with elk, deer, or bears. Just because it's not part of our culture doesn't mean we get to make the rules for everyone. You saying we shouldn't hunt them would be tantamount to the Japanese saying that killing elk is inhumane and should be stopped. How would that sit with you?

The problem with your argument is that the whales are protected and there is a worldwide ban on hunting them.  The japs found a loophole and are abusing it. 

It's like there is a ban on elk hunting statewide because they were over hunted, but Ted nugent gets degree in biology and can harvest elk for scientific purposes.   We all know he found a loophole and is abusing it for personal gain.  Would the sit well with you?

Wolves are protected in many areas as well.  Does that mean that it is right?  The whales that are being targeted by the Japanese are not endangered, just like the gray whales targeted by the Makahs.  Maybe the laws need to be revised?  Maybe science should be used instead of emotion to manage wildlife (whales and wolves).  Most game animals had their hunting closed at one point or other in some location, management has allowed those populations to rebound enough to allow for managed hunting, maybe the whales need to be looked at again in a scientific manner.

Either way, nothing excuses PIRACY or terrorism.

   From what I hear it sounds exactly like how this State is managing wildlife, with emotions/feelings and not science.

[jackmaster]

if someone could show me that the japanese are using whales for reason other than making a ton of money off of them, then by all means if the number of whales support the taking a few of them then fine, but when they are killing them so they can sell them in their sushi shops for a crap load of money then WTF, we cant do that with elk and deer can we? no we cannot kill elk and deer for profit, like i said there is a bunch of sealions that need alot more thinning than whales do, what do they do with these big ass whales when they do kill one, they sell them.....atleast some of the remote eskimos actually still use the whole whale, for clothes, food, weapons and if i remember right they make candles out of the fat, i think it would be sweet to get to go on a hunt with the eskimos to get a whale i bet it would be quite the experience.....

[pianoman9701]

i am all for hunting but i will never see the point in killing whales or dolphins, not in this day and age anyways, i understand that it was necesary back in the day or even for some of the real remote eskimos, if they want to kill sea going creatures then come here and kill the sealions i guess, idk i just dont agree with killn whales i guess

Then, if you're a hunter, you favor killing of some animals over another based nothing more than emotion to justify your stance.

The responsible harvest of any animal should be supported by hunters, especially when the food is part of centuries old diet and customs, as is the case with whales and Japan. Whales became endangered with over-harvest and have been protected for many decades. They've now rebounded to numbers not seen since the early 1800s. If populations can be monitored and conservation of the resource is made a priority, then we can use science to determine harvest goals, the same way we do with elk, deer, or bears. Just because it's not part of our culture doesn't mean we get to make the rules for everyone. You saying we shouldn't hunt them would be tantamount to the Japanese saying that killing elk is inhumane and should be stopped. How would that sit with you?

The problem with your argument is that the whales are protected and there is a worldwide ban on hunting them.  The japs found a loophole and are abusing it. 

It's like there is a ban on elk hunting statewide because they were over hunted, but Ted nugent gets degree in biology and can harvest elk for scientific purposes.   We all know he found a loophole and is abusing it for personal gain.  Would the sit well with you?

The Japanese don't recognize the ban. They didn't sign the whale treaty because it infringes on their sovereignty and is no longer based on any scientific data, seeing that whales are in full recovery world-wide. Much like we shouldn't sign a UN small arms treaty - we don't believe it's necessary and have the data to back it up.

A ban on elk hunting would occur if herd sizes were dangerously low. When they rebounded, the ban would be lifted. The ban on whaling should be lifted, as well. There are plenty of them and responsible harvest should be recognized as a valid conservation option.

[pianoman9701]

if someone could show me that the japanese are using whales for reason other than making a ton of money off of them, then by all means if the number of whales support the taking a few of them then fine, but when they are killing them so they can sell them in their sushi shops for a crap load of money then WTF, we cant do that with elk and deer can we? no we cannot kill elk and deer for profit, like i said there is a bunch of sealions that need alot more thinning than whales do, what do they do with these big ass whales when they do kill one, they sell them.....atleast some of the remote eskimos actually still use the whole whale, for clothes, food, weapons and if i remember right they make candles out of the fat, i think it would be sweet to get to go on a hunt with the eskimos to get a whale i bet it would be quite the experience.....

The same could be said for elk hunting, especially for trophies. You don't get to tell other countries what to do with their food. It's elitist, socialist thinking that we should have any say in responsible harvests that happen internationally. If they sell them, they're supporting their economy like we do by selling timber. It's a sustainable resource and you've made no argument that says we should interfere. I certainly don't want them coming over here and telling me what i should be doing with our animals.

[pianoman9701]

if someone could show me that the japanese are using whales for reason other than making a ton of money off of them, then by all means if the number of whales support the taking a few of them then fine, but when they are killing them so they can sell them in their sushi shops for a crap load of money then WTF, we cant do that with elk and deer can we? no we cannot kill elk and deer for profit, like i said there is a bunch of sealions that need alot more thinning than whales do, what do they do with these big ass whales when they do kill one, they sell them.....atleast some of the remote eskimos actually still use the whole whale, for clothes, food, weapons and if i remember right they make candles out of the fat, i think it would be sweet to get to go on a hunt with the eskimos to get a whale i bet it would be quite the experience.....

The same could be said about our fishing for salmon or cod. It's all for profit, so we shouldn't be able to do it. You don't get to tell other countries what to do with their food. It's elitist, socialist thinking that we should have any say in responsible harvests that happen internationally. If they sell them, they're supporting their economy like we do by selling timber. It's a sustainable resource and you've made no argument that says we should interfere. I certainly don't want them coming over here and telling me what i should be doing with our animals.

[jackmaster]

ok thats fine i will agree with you on all of that, but if the numbers are high enough then should i get to jump in my boat and go out to neah bay and kill a whale? if the japanese get to then we should be able to, right? and who is gonna keep the japs from coming into american waters and killing are whales that we want to kill? like i said before that might have gotton missed, i am for taking a few whales if the number support it.

[PlateauNDN]

ok thats fine i will agree with you on all of that, but if the numbers are high enough then should i get to jump in my boat and go out to neah bay and kill a whale? if the japanese get to then we should be able to, right? and who is gonna keep the japs from coming into american waters and killing are whales that we want to kill? like i said before that might have gotton missed, i am for taking a few whales if the number support it.

Our US MILITARY who else.  They are operating in international waters not foreign waters.

[lokidog]

ok thats fine i will agree with you on all of that, but if the numbers are high enough then should i get to jump in my boat and go out to neah bay and kill a whale? if the japanese get to then we should be able to, right? and who is gonna keep the japs from coming into american waters and killing are whales that we want to kill? like i said before that might have gotton missed, i am for taking a few whales if the number support it.

The same thing that keeps them from coming to Westport or into Puget Sound to catch salmon would keep them from killing "our" whales.  If there was a whale season and you could harvest one by yourself without wasting it, go for it!

[pianoman9701]

ok thats fine i will agree with you on all of that, but if the numbers are high enough then should i get to jump in my boat and go out to neah bay and kill a whale? if the japanese get to then we should be able to, right? and who is gonna keep the japs from coming into american waters and killing are whales that we want to kill? like i said before that might have gotton missed, i am for taking a few whales if the number support it.

I agree completely. I'd love to whale hunt. And, our territorial waters extend for 250 miles out. If they fished for what we consider protected species in our waters, their boats would be boarded and taken, just like any others.

[rasbo]

thought I harvested one once,turned out it was a fat chick in a gray tavern jacket..no more tequila for me...bad bad juju

[elkinrutdrivemenuts]

i am all for hunting but i will never see the point in killing whales or dolphins, not in this day and age anyways, i understand that it was necesary back in the day or even for some of the real remote eskimos, if they want to kill sea going creatures then come here and kill the sealions i guess, idk i just dont agree with killn whales i guess

Then, if you're a hunter, you favor killing of some animals over another based nothing more than emotion to justify your stance.

The responsible harvest of any animal should be supported by hunters, especially when the food is part of centuries old diet and customs, as is the case with whales and Japan. Whales became endangered with over-harvest and have been protected for many decades. They've now rebounded to numbers not seen since the early 1800s. If populations can be monitored and conservation of the resource is made a priority, then we can use science to determine harvest goals, the same way we do with elk, deer, or bears. Just because it's not part of our culture doesn't mean we get to make the rules for everyone. You saying we shouldn't hunt them would be tantamount to the Japanese saying that killing elk is inhumane and should be stopped. How would that sit with you?

The problem with your argument is that the whales are protected and there is a worldwide ban on hunting them.  The japs found a loophole and are abusing it. 

It's like there is a ban on elk hunting statewide because they were over hunted, but Ted nugent gets degree in biology and can harvest elk for scientific purposes.   We all know he found a loophole and is abusing it for personal gain.  Would the sit well with you?

The Japanese don't recognize the ban. They didn't sign the whale treaty because it infringes on their sovereignty and is no longer based on any scientific data, seeing that whales are in full recovery world-wide. Much like we shouldn't sign a UN small arms treaty - we don't believe it's necessary and have the data to back it up.

A ban on elk hunting would occur if herd sizes were dangerously low. When they rebounded, the ban would be lifted. The ban on whaling should be lifted, as well. There are plenty of them and responsible harvest should be recognized as a valid conservation option.

So because I choose not to recognize a law or ban that makes it ok?

 Fine I don't know what spike only rule your talking about. ; )

[PlateauNDN]

i am all for hunting but i will never see the point in killing whales or dolphins, not in this day and age anyways, i understand that it was necesary back in the day or even for some of the real remote eskimos, if they want to kill sea going creatures then come here and kill the sealions i guess, idk i just dont agree with killn whales i guess

Then, if you're a hunter, you favor killing of some animals over another based nothing more than emotion to justify your stance.

The responsible harvest of any animal should be supported by hunters, especially when the food is part of centuries old diet and customs, as is the case with whales and Japan. Whales became endangered with over-harvest and have been protected for many decades. They've now rebounded to numbers not seen since the early 1800s. If populations can be monitored and conservation of the resource is made a priority, then we can use science to determine harvest goals, the same way we do with elk, deer, or bears. Just because it's not part of our culture doesn't mean we get to make the rules for everyone. You saying we shouldn't hunt them would be tantamount to the Japanese saying that killing elk is inhumane and should be stopped. How would that sit with you?

The problem with your argument is that the whales are protected and there is a worldwide ban on hunting them.  The japs found a loophole and are abusing it. 

It's like there is a ban on elk hunting statewide because they were over hunted, but Ted nugent gets degree in biology and can harvest elk for scientific purposes.   We all know he found a loophole and is abusing it for personal gain.  Would the sit well with you?

The Japanese don't recognize the ban. They didn't sign the whale treaty because it infringes on their sovereignty and is no longer based on any scientific data, seeing that whales are in full recovery world-wide. Much like we shouldn't sign a UN small arms treaty - we don't believe it's necessary and have the data to back it up.

A ban on elk hunting would occur if herd sizes were dangerously low. When they rebounded, the ban would be lifted. The ban on whaling should be lifted, as well. There are plenty of them and responsible harvest should be recognized as a valid conservation option.

So because I choose not to recognize a law or ban that makes it ok?

 Fine I don't know what spike only rule your talking about. ; )

No, because they are a completely separate Nation not under the jurisdiction of this Nation.  We can't go to their home and tell them what to do just as they can't do the same.  They didn't agree with the Whale Compact so they didn't sign, they don't have to sign or recognize it so they didn't. 

[PlateauNDN]

thought I harvested one once,turned out it was a fat chick in a gray tavern jacket..no more tequila for me...bad bad juju

If you woke up next to it then I think that counts as harvesting it.   Tequila made your clothes fall off!

[boneaddict]

Thanks for keeping it light Rasbo.   



One of the issues I am thinking is being missed is that they are fishing what kind of waters....Japanese waters or someone elses or shared, or is this their CEDED area.  . 

[kentrek]

"Either way, nothing excuses PIRACY or terrorism"

nothing ? at what point WOULD it be "okay"..piracy an terrorism are just tacticts used by lesser power individuals who believe in a cause...havent Americans used these taticts ??

money makes the world go round an until that stops peaple are going to abuse rules for personal gain..back to the op,if the whale hunters were infact bending the rules why wouldnt higher powers have gotten involved ?  they love whale backstraps