Elk going to waste in TRUE spike areas

[doyourtime89]

  This TRUE SPIKE restriction on a couple areas is ridiculous I don’t understand what they are thinking they are going to accomplish with it.  What is the big difference between a 1X1 to a 1X2 or even a 1X3…come on.  I have family members that rifle hunt the Colockum every ever year and  every couple years my dad and I will make a drive over to the Colockum to visit our family’s rifle camp.  We made a trip yesterday and not as many camps as I thought and only seen 2 elk hanging.  Non in our family’s camp.  They did say there seen a few taken.  But what is really messed up is the amount of 1X2’s and 1X3’s they have found shot and left to waste from people thinking and/or hoping it was a true spike and just shooting and then finding out its not a true spike and they just walk away from it.  In the last 3 years they have seen 7 (2 this year).   And that is just what they have found.  So just think if you were to get a total count from all they hunters in these true spike areas.  There are TONS of elk just going to waste.  I know it ultimately falls on the hunter and if wish these guys would get caught, because it does fall on the hunter to make 100% sure of what you are shooting.  But I just think there are way to many elk going to waste because of this rule.  While driving up to our family’s camp we seen two different herds of elk.  One heard had about 40 cows and 1 bull a 2X2 and we really had to look him over to see he was a 2X2 the splits were really small and way at the top.  The other groups was about 50 cows with a 1X2 and same thing the right side had a second point way at the tip and really small.  I will bet they don’t make it through the season but go to waste too.  I just think it’s a worthless rule…..sorry just had to vent a bit after hearing about all the elk going to waste.   

[romaknows]

I have heard of this same thing from alot of people hunting the true spike gmu's.

[Fl0und3rz]

Having hunted a true spike unit, I'd have to agree.  It's damn near impossible to determine sometimes.  It would probably be better to make these permit areas.

[hillbilli]

I see the true spike rule as an entrapment rule.. they write a rule that is not about the herd, only about making it very easy to entrap hunters, as it can be very easy to shoot an animal that even at bow ranges appears legal, and is not.. therefore I will not hunt in the 'true spike' areas...

[HornHoarder]

Yes, absolutely rediculous rule.

[Wildsau]

Any bull with a 1xanything more than a one, should be fair game.  It is a spike on one side and becasue it has more than 1 on the other is more than enough reason to remove it from the gene-pool.  We want to keep good strong herds and to leave one who can't grow good racks, in the gene-pool is the worst game management there is.

Gene-pool culing has been going on in Europe for as far back as anyone can remember, and they have soem excellent trophy racks on the Red Deer, Fallow Deer, Roe Deer, and Sitka Deer.  Proof that this type of "harvesting" works.

[RifleRidge]

Yes, absolutely rediculous rule.

 

[huntergreg]

I have been hunting with my father and son in the colockum and have found 5 dead 1x2 and 1 cow. Some of the 1x2 i don't see how people cant see the forks. Some of them are 4in forks. I also found one that was a 3x2. It was still kicking on the ground. I hate to see it. People just need to make sure what it is before they shoot. IF YOUR NOT SURE LET IT GO!!!! THERE ARE A LOT OF STUPID HUNTERS UP THERE JUST SHOOTING ELK AND THEN GOING TO SEE WHAT IT IS AND THEN WALKING AWAY IF IT HAS FORKS.     I dont like the fact that if you shoot a 1x2 in these areas and turn yourself in you only get an $80 ticket and a notched tag. They need to hammer these people just as if they were poaching!!!  If you don't like the TRUE SPIKE restriction DONT HUNT THERE!!!!

[stickbuck]

Any bull with a 1xanything more than a one, should be fair game.  It is a spike on one side and becasue it has more than 1 on the other is more than enough reason to remove it from the gene-pool.  We want to keep good strong herds and to leave one who can't grow good racks, in the gene-pool is the worst game management there is.

Gene-pool culing has been going on in Europe for as far back as anyone can remember, and they have soem excellent trophy racks on the Red Deer, Fallow Deer, Roe Deer, and Sitka Deer.  Proof that this type of "harvesting" works.

I don't agree with the true spike regulations. However, I would have to disagree with you. Bull elk with spikes do not mean they have bad genetics. Just my two cents.

[RifleRidge]

I have been hunting with my father and son in the colockum and have found 5 dead 1x2 and 1 cow. Some of the 1x2 i don't see how people cant see the forks. Some of them are 4in forks. I also found one that was a 3x2. It was still kicking on the ground. I hate to see it. People just need to make sure what it is before they shoot. IF YOUR NOT SURE LET IT GO!!!! THERE ARE A LOT OF STUPID HUNTERS UP THERE JUST SHOOTING ELK AND THEN GOING TO SEE WHAT IT IS AND THEN WALKING AWAY IF IT HAS FORKS.     I dont like the fact that if you shoot a 1x2 in these areas and turn yourself in you only get an $80 ticket and a notched tag. They need to hammer these people just as if they were poaching!!!  If you don't like the TRUE SPIKE restriction DONT HUNT THERE!!!!

 

[Bigbuckoholic]

Any bull with a 1xanything more than a one, should be fair game.  It is a spike on one side and becasue it has more than 1 on the other is more than enough reason to remove it from the gene-pool.  We want to keep good strong herds and to leave one who can't grow good racks, in the gene-pool is the worst game management there is.

Gene-pool culing has been going on in Europe for as far back as anyone can remember, and they have soem excellent trophy racks on the Red Deer, Fallow Deer, Roe Deer, and Sitka Deer.  Proof that this type of "harvesting" works.

I don't agree with the true spike regulations. However, I would have to disagree with you. Bull elk with spikes do not mean they have bad genetics. Just my two cents.

[Kowsrule30]

My wife's uncle has a camp in 328 with @ 12 guys.... He came back Tuesday for work and informed me their group found 4 dead... 3 1x2, 1 1x3... He said all would be really hard to tell even with really good glass and some time to glass in the open... Just really small points that were barely legal or questionable.... I will not hunt in a true spike area....

[bear hunter]

I don't hunt true spike area anymore.

[Fl0und3rz]

If you don't like the TRUE SPIKE restriction DONT HUNT THERE!!!!

Thanks for the invite. I'll take you up on it. But that does not diminish the reality and concerns that people have over proper game management. Slob hunters are a reality, as are honest mistakes. The true spike rule makes both more damaging to management goals.

[doyourtime89]

But that does not diminish the reality and concerns that people have over proper game management. Slob hunters are a reality, as are honest mistakes. The true spike rule makes both more damaging to management goals.
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