As actionshooter said, the spider Lake, Pine Lake, Browns Creek area get hit hard by poachers and Indians all year round. Having said that, there are still elk to be found there. Follow the drainages into the darkest areas you can find away from the roads. Most of the questionable hunting is done on the loop from camp Govey around towards Browns Creek and back. There are many deep dark holes in there that will hold elk though. Last time I was up there we saw a herd of about 50 cows and spikes moving on a dead run like frieght train. We could hear them crashing brush for ten minutes after they were out of site. Amazing how fast they can move in that thick wet stuff.