The absurdity of WDFW draw system

[Bob33]

The only way to REALLY increase odds, are not going to be popular. One would be a substantial increase in the cost to apply. Say $100 for each OIL app, and how about $50 for each Quality deer or elk app? I could see many people dropping out if it were that costly.

I think that is probably being considered. "Price elasticity of demand" is a measure of how much demand changes when the price of a product changes. If WDFW were to increase the price of an application fourfold, and demand dropped by 75 percent, their revenues would be the same: one fourth of the demand at four times the price.

Draw odds would improve dramatically under this scenario.

The downstream impact on outfitters, local business etc. could of course be adverse.

I suspect that game departments across the country, including the one in Olympia are looking at this.

[bbarnes]

 How can the WDFW even draw for pemits in S W Washington GMU without telling us before we waste our points to hunt sick hoof rotted elk.They need to identify these GMUs in the hunter regulations and let us know the infected ones were being ripped off.

[bobcat]

How can the WDFW even draw for pemits in S W Washington GMU without telling us before we waste our points to hunt sick hoof rotted elk.They need to identify these GMUs in the hunter regulations and let us know the infected ones were being ripped off.

I drew a muzzleloader cow permit in the Winston this last season, and don't feel I was ripped off. I killed a cow that just showed the very first symptoms of having hoof rot, but she was healthy and the meat was fine.

edit:  I should add that I do agree with the way you are pushing the DFW to do more about it, at least study it and find out what's causing it. You'd think they could at least spend as much on the hoof rot issue as they're spending on wolves every year.

[skywalker253]

How can the WDFW even draw for pemits in S W Washington GMU without telling us before we waste our points to hunt sick hoof rotted elk.They need to identify these GMUs in the hunter regulations and let us know the infected ones were being ripped off.

I agree; especially since we have never seen any clinical outcomes trials from WSDFW, which provide us with a definitive answer of whether or not it is ok to eat an animal with hoof rott. I suppose the game department could say that "hunting is a priviledge in Wa.""The game department is not forcing hunters to hunt SW Wa or put in for special permits there." I can see them saying that in response. But in the end it is their job to manage the elk and they have a responsibility to inform the public whether or not it is safe to harvest. If I shoot an elk with hoof rott and it smells bad; I will shovel and shut up. I'm not wasting my tag on a rotting animal. Unless you see it limping; how are you going to know until you get over to it, and do an examination? Even if it is limping; it could mean it was wounded etc.

[skywalker253]

The only way to REALLY increase odds, are not going to be popular. One would be a substantial increase in the cost to apply. Say $100 for each OIL app, and how about $50 for each Quality deer or elk app? I could see many people dropping out if it were that costly.

I think that is probably being considered. "Price elasticity of demand" is a measure of how much demand changes when the price of a product changes. If WDFW were to increase the price of an application fourfold, and demand dropped by 75 percent, their revenues would be the same: one fourth of the demand at four times the price.

Draw odds would improve dramatically under this scenario.

The downstream impact on outfitters, local business etc. could of course be adverse.

I suspect that game departments across the country, including the one in Olympia are looking at this.

I would be willing to pay more, but I can see many lower income hunters or anit-game department hunters, who would refuse to do so. More money more problems....

[skywalker253]

The only way to increase draw odds, is to eliminate the number of applicants in the pool. You can price them out of the draw pool, by raising the permit costs. You can place a point restriction on specific hunts (Example- Minimum 10 points to apply Wenaha East Quality Elk). IMO- They should place a point restriction on specific hunt choice. They have enough applicants already applying. Why not give the guys, who have been waiting forever a better chance, by eliminating people with 1-9 points. Why should they get drawn, when they have invested the least amount of time (waiting) and money (special permit application costs). Just an opinion, so fire away!!

[huntnphool]

Why not give the guys, who have been waiting forever a better chance, by eliminating people with 1-9 points. Why should they get drawn, when they have invested the least amount of time (waiting) and money (special permit application costs).

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

If people knew they could not draw a tag before applying for 10 years then they would simply go elsewhere, which translates to a serious cut in revenue, and thats really what the permit system is all about ultimately, revenue generation.

[huntnnw]

"There is no lack of mule deer. There in every roadside ditch in EWa. "

thats about as ignorant as it gets and its obvious u have not traveled all parts of E WA 

[huntnnw]

non res needs to be capped at 10% like most states!

[skywalker253]

Why not give the guys, who have been waiting forever a better chance, by eliminating people with 1-9 points. Why should they get drawn, when they have invested the least amount of time (waiting) and money (special permit application costs).

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

If people knew they could not draw a tag before applying for 10 years then they would simply go elsewhere, which translates to a serious cut in revenue, and thats really what the permit system is all about ultimately, revenue generation.

So why not take say 25 permits and divide them up into 2 groups to eliminate that problem? 1-9 points is Group A. 10-max points is group B. Split the draw, but limit the Group A permits to say 10 of the 25 given between the 2 groups. IDK...I am just throwing out my ideas. For all I know, my ideas could screw the whole thing up. I don't really understand how they do it in the first place. What the hell is max points. I got 17....am I at max points?

[bobcat]

There really is no such thing as max points.

[skywalker253]

There really is no such thing as max points.

I know you understand this pretty well. When guys on here reference "Max Points"....what do they mean?

[bobcat]

I don't really know where that term comes from. I think it may be a legitimate phrase in other states. But I suppose what is meant by it here in this state, is that if you have been applying since the beginning of the point system (1996) and haven't been drawn, you would have "max points." (And that would be 17 right now)

[skywalker253]

I don't really know where that term comes from. I think it may be a legitimate phrase in other states. But I suppose what is meant by it here in this state, is that if you have been applying since the beginning of the point system (1996) and haven't been drawn, you would have "max points." (And that would be 17 right now)

Thanks Bobcat....
You seem to be the voice of reason on this site. I always enjoy reading your posts. You tell it like it is. I like that. I am the same way, but my delivery sucks! LOL

Do you know when the Multi Season permit results are announced? I purchased mine last night and submitted. This was my first time applying.

[bobcat]

Deadline for MS permits is Mar 31, so I'd guess results would be out be middle of April.