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Re: Heated Wolf Meeting In Colville
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2013, 01:45:50 PM »
Well there gets to be more paid for jobs, funded by the feds for the wolf recovery. that money goes bye bye once we reach our recovery goals. also hsus, dow, and others donate money.
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Re: Heated Wolf Meeting In Colville
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2013, 01:47:42 PM »
Right to hunt legislation wouldnt even get to a vote in this state......itd be DOA. :twocents:

Has it been tried?

If wolf relocation bills can be put forth so can right to hunt bills.

Tack on right to fish with such a bill or ballot measure and it might stand a chance.

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Re: Heated Wolf Meeting In Colville
« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2013, 01:49:33 PM »
You're talking bills from opposite ends of the spectrum.......our state anti mentality wont give us the right........if we had it, theyd take it away.

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Re: Heated Wolf Meeting In Colville
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2013, 02:01:07 PM »
WDFW held a wolf meeting in Colville last night that was attended by 300+ people. WDFW detailed their compensation program, discussed cattleman's contracts, and how ranchers need to handle predation on cattle.


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Bear with me as I have been a bit absent from the forum for the past few weeks because work got it in the way.   :chuckle:

Questions for you:
1)  What was the "purpose" of this meeting?  Another one of those feel good moments whereas WDFW has to have a public opinion moment so they can stand back and cram down our throats what their agenda is?
2)  Is what the WDFW has proposed deviate from the State's adopted wolf plan, generally speaking?
3)  Same question for rancher responsibility regarding predation as #2?
4)  Didn't the adopted wolf plan set forth how the management of wolves be funded?  And if so, is the WDFW following the method of funding to the letter?

My point in these questions is WDFW accountability.  If they are stepping outside of what is already a seriously screwed up wolf plan by setting their own rules and agenda, someone needs to take them to task in this.


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Re: Heated Wolf Meeting In Colville
« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2013, 02:19:39 PM »
Doubt WDFW even cares.... If they cared they would have compared our state's wolf plan with MT, ID, OR as well as the looked at the effects the wolves have had on the ungulate herds there and applied rational decisions accordingly into our wolf plan.  What they care about is pleasing the people that don't have to live and deal with the wolves on a daily basis.
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Re: Heated Wolf Meeting In Colville
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2013, 02:36:01 PM »
I'd love to see a class action law suit, us against the state, if thats even possible.........we could show our love and understanding by suing them to shreds.......

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Re: Heated Wolf Meeting In Colville
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2013, 02:47:13 PM »
I'd love to see a class action law suit, us against the state, if thats even possible.........we could show our love and understanding by suing them to shreds.......
Im sure the following would be larger then anyone could imagine if it went into play.
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Re: Heated Wolf Meeting In Colville
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2013, 03:23:38 PM »
Anyone else feel like doing a little covert trapping and transporting? maybe we need to assist WDFW and get a pack started on the extreme west side of the mountains. Just need 4 traps and a covered pickup
I don't understand this kind of rational. Because there are wolves destroying the Eastern ungulate population you believe that the only fair thing to do is transport wolves to the West so they can do the same thing there? Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. Why would a "sportsman" ever suggest such a ridiculous idea? :dunno:
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Re: Heated Wolf Meeting In Colville
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2013, 05:31:43 PM »
The purpose of the meeting was to talk to livestock producers. They say there will be another meeting in a month to address wildlife concerns.

6x6x6, they have not deviated from the plan to my knowledge in any way that violates the plan in regards to cattle or ungulates. They said they will hire 4 trappers in 2013, but to my knowledge the number of trappers is not specified in the plan. The only specific numbers that I remember in the plan is 15 BP's of wolves proven and dispersed in the proper number in each wolf recovery area for 3 years or if there is total number of 18 BP's one year before delisting can occur. Last night they admitted we'll likely see 18 BP's before we see 15 BP's for 3 years.

Keep in mind WDFW admits there are likely 100 wolves in Washington, but I think they said there are only 5 proven BP's. Considering the sitings reported here on H-W, I would bet there are actually 2 to 3 times as many wolves on the landscape as they have proven. Using a comparison of their numbers it appears we may have approx 360 known wolves when we reach 18 BP's, and if there are 360 known wolves I would suggest there will actually be closer to 1000 wolves on our landscape.

I think they can manage wolves to protect livestock or if ungulate populations drop below 75%. I'm nearly certain some local areas have already seen more than a 25% loss in ungulates but that will be hard to prove.

McIrvins lost over $100,000 last year, the way I understand it the state only has limited funds for livestock losses with a $5,000 max for any one rancher. So even if McIrvins accepted money it would only be a very small fraction of their loss.

To their credit, WDFW said they would not allow predation to escalate to the point that McIrvins experienced, they said they will act faster to remove problem wolves in the future. They are also starting what appears to be a more responsive investigation team.

This whole wolf mess is going to be a continual battle with WDFW and the wolf lovers.
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Re: Heated Wolf Meeting In Colville
« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2013, 06:36:01 PM »
 :mgun2: Wolves.
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Re: Heated Wolf Meeting In Colville
« Reply #40 on: February 28, 2013, 06:47:21 PM »
Maybe instead of 10 points, they should offer 24/7/365 wolf permits................................. :tup:

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Re: Heated Wolf Meeting In Colville
« Reply #41 on: February 28, 2013, 06:49:35 PM »
Maybe instead of 10 points, they should offer 24/7/365 wolf permits................................. :tup:

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Re: Heated Wolf Meeting In Colville
« Reply #42 on: February 28, 2013, 06:50:42 PM »
Maybe instead of 10 points, they should offer 24/7/365 wolf permits................................. :tup:
GREAT Idea, Should be like coyotes. I think they're more of a threat anyways.
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Re: Heated Wolf Meeting In Colville
« Reply #43 on: February 28, 2013, 06:54:09 PM »
I do think this is going to get interesting!!

Dale had you been on your feet your could have pointed out just how much Pittman-Robertson funds thay are going to lose so the funding for the recovery may suffer!!    :hello:


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Re: Heated Wolf Meeting In Colville
« Reply #44 on: February 28, 2013, 07:11:15 PM »
WDFW held a wolf meeting in Colville last night that was attended by 300+ people. WDFW detailed their compensation program, discussed cattleman's contracts, and how ranchers need to handle predation on cattle.

WDFW thought they were going to break the meeting into small groups, Len McIrvin stood up and said "No, this group wants to stay together as one group!" after loud applause faded WDFW continued explaining how the evening would be handled. Len McIrvin spoke up again and said "Maybe you didn't understand were staying together as one group so everyone can hear what each other has to say!" Once they started calling on people to ask questions McIrvin explained that the WDFW did not remove the whole wedge pack, within 2 days there were more wolves near their cattle. Another thing McIrvin stated later in the evening is that he and his family were threatened by WDFW that if any wolf was found dead they would be fully investigated and their firearms taken from their homes and ballistic tests done.

County commissioners were present and two of them spoke out. Mike Blankenship, Ferry County Commissioner, said they need to go back to Olympia and explain to the director that wolves are out of control. Steve Parker, Stevens County Commissioner, wanted to know who was involved in the threat to McIrvins of a full investigation and confiscation of firearms. WDFW personnel at the meeting said they didn't know, Steve Parker said he wanted a reply from WDFW on who threatened the McIrvins, he made it clear he expected a reply.

Many people spoke about subjects such as Joel Kretz's legislation to move wolves to western WA, why wolves were illegally introduced, laws that were violated, wolf tapeworms, agenda 21, a young girl nearly broke into tears explaining that she has goats and sheep and her parents are not allowed to protect them, an old lady said she is afraid to walk outside her home because of all the wolf sightings near her home. Hunters and landowners talked about how deer are disappearing in many areas, places where it was normal to see 100 to 200 deer in alfalfa fields and now only 20 to 30 deer remain.

I told them I was insulted that they were telling us they are surprised at how fast wolves have multiplied after knowing and seeing what happened in Idaho, Montana, and Wyoming, I spoke about how residents in Idaho were taking care of the problem in Idaho and that WDFW was going to force people in NE WA to do the same. I spoke of restaurant and motel owners in Idaho who were forced out of business, how Idaho F&G has lost millions in funding which means small communities have lost far more in their economies with many businesses shutting down. I explained how important hunting is to our local economy and that local people depend on wildlife to feed their families. I noted that I always reported poachers in the past but I would never report a wolf poacher, I mentioned that Bill White used to live in Colville, he's a good man and that what they did to him and his family was not right, it cost the White's over $100,000, they destroyed his life and his children's lives over two wolves.

I asked why their was only 2 or 3 or 2 1/2 trappers as they had explained it in our state which has thousands of square miles territory and that there should be 15 to 25 trappers to adequately find and collar all the wolf packs. I explained how sightings indicate we have in excess of 100 wolves just in NE WA with at least 15 packs.

A rancher drove up from Lincoln County who has wolves on his ranch and wanted to know why WDFW wasn't trying to help in his county. He said he doesn't have time to babysit a pack of wolves. There were many other questions and comments made by local residents, too many to remember or list. The meeting was very heated at times and no doubt the WDFW got a good taste of local dissatisfaction.
  thank you for showing up and speaking for all of us who couldn't be there.

 


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