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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #255 on: March 14, 2013, 02:09:35 PM »
Wolves with collars doesn't prove the government transplanted those wolves there. Maybe they were already there, when they were collared. Maybe they got collared somewhere else (Canada?) and moved to Washington on their own. Im not sure why a collared wolf is seen as proof that the state put them there.

The DFW and USFWS are still trapping and collaring wolves and will continue to do so.
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #256 on: March 14, 2013, 02:10:04 PM »
I dont care about if government transplanted or not..  Its past and old..... Lets focus on what best for hunter and landowners/ranchers in our State of Wa before it get worse.  I encourage everybody to pressure and keep email and email all of them to push open Wolf hunt as soon as possible. I will not quit email everybody thur Govern request to open it now.   :rolleyes:

Dear Scott,

 

Rep Shea believes that unless we take aggressive steps to control the wolf population now, it will balloon out of control.  Jim Beers (link) has said to me that unless more that 30% of the actual population is harvested every year, the population will continue to increase.  And that does not account for immigrating loners etc.

 

Unfortunately, unless the WDFW makes a radical correction in their course, the wolf population in WA State will soon be completely out of control.

 

Thank you for your letter.

 

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Matt Shea
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4th Legislative District

Dear Scott,
 
Thank you writing in to share your support for SB 5187. The House companion, HB 1191, did not receive a vote out of committee in February, and was not able to be considered by the full House before last evening’s cutoff. Currently, SB 5187 is scheduled to receive a public hearing in the House Agriculture and Natural Recourses Committee. As a member of that committee, I look forward to hearing the testimony, and having a further discussion with my colleagues on this important issue.
 
Please take time to write or call whenever you have a comment, a question or an idea to share.  We are always pleased to be of assistance.
 
Very Truly Yours,
 

 
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Scott,
 
I support giving landowners/ranchers the ability to protect the livestock they are required to assure are cared for humanely. I oppose wolves even being in our state and will continue to support legislation/policies that protect citizens and their families, pets, and livestock from predation by all wild carnivores.
 
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #257 on: March 14, 2013, 02:32:44 PM »
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #258 on: March 14, 2013, 05:05:38 PM »
I have to agree with Bone, Area's in the valley have been building the number's for deer over the last few years but like he stated it just is not true around lookout Mt. where these wolves have been for a "couple" of years. Wolves have been there longer than that and the state knows it!

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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #259 on: March 14, 2013, 05:17:01 PM »
Bobcat I think the issue with the collars on wolves is a matter of TRUST. It does not prove they were released but it does prove the WDFW has NOT been honest and forthcoming about wolf issues. This matter of trust is not an isolated event when it comes to this department. I would state that MANY people, here and elsewhere, don't do a great job at making the specific destinctions of actions. What Collars does prove is the we are dealing with an agency that is not honest, is not dealing in a transparent manner and is NOT a friend to sportsmen OR those in the rural areas that this is going on.

It is high time we let our State reps know our feeling on this issue and make sure to refernce the bill, and the pic and actilces in the paper. :twocents:
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #260 on: March 14, 2013, 05:33:43 PM »
Bobcat I think the issue with the collars on wolves is a matter of TRUST. It does not prove they were released but it does prove the WDFW has NOT been honest and forthcoming about wolf issues. This matter of trust is not an isolated event when it comes to this department. I would state that MANY people, here and elsewhere, don't do a great job at making the specific destinctions of actions. What Collars does prove is the we are dealing with an agency that is not honest, is not dealing in a transparent manner and is NOT a friend to sportsmen OR those in the rural areas that this is going on.

It is high time we let our State reps know our feeling on this issue and make sure to refernce the bill, and the pic and actilces in the paper. :twocents:
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #261 on: March 14, 2013, 05:38:44 PM »
Wolves with collars doesn't prove the government transplanted those wolves there. Maybe they were already there, when they were collared. Maybe they got collared somewhere else (Canada?) and moved to Washington on their own. Im not sure why a collared wolf is seen as proof that the state put them there.

WDFW puts collars on ALL animals. They even have transponders on Western Pond Turtles.

Not every animal WDFW releases gets a collar. There are tons of animals that are tranquilized, collared, and released in the same exact spot.

King 5 just did a story of WDFW and USFS trapping a Wolverine in the North Cascades, they trapped, tranquilized, and released it in the same location.

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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #262 on: March 14, 2013, 05:43:40 PM »
What is it they haven't been honest about? If you're saying they denied the existence of wolves in north central Washington, that's not true. There were notices posted in the National Forest at least since the late 80's that said there were wolves in the area, and asked people to report any sightings.

If you're saying they weren't honest in regards to specific locations of wolves they may have known about, and which may or may not have had collars, why would they give the public this information?

It's just like with spotted owls. Do you think the state should report known locations of nesting spotted owls, and have some nutcase with a shotgun go in and kill them?

The same thing would happen with wolves. I can see why they'd want to keep some of that information to themselves. Doing otherwise would be irresponsible.

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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #263 on: March 14, 2013, 05:50:28 PM »
Wolves with collars doesn't prove the government transplanted those wolves there. Maybe they were already there, when they were collared. Maybe they got collared somewhere else (Canada?) and moved to Washington on their own. Im not sure why a collared wolf is seen as proof that the state put them there.

WDFW puts collars on ALL animals. They even have transponders on Western Pond Turtles.

Not every animal WDFW releases gets a collar. There are tons of animals that are tranquilized, collared, and released in the same exact spot.

King 5 just did a story of WDFW and USFS trapping a Wolverine in the North Cascades, they trapped, tranquilized, and released it in the same location.

Yeah but they don't deny the pond turtles exist in that pond when someone reports a sighting, or try to tell them it was actually a box turtle...
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #264 on: March 14, 2013, 06:04:40 PM »
What is it they haven't been honest about? If you're saying they denied the existence of wolves in north central Washington, that's not true. There were notices posted in the National Forest at least since the late 80's that said there were wolves in the area, and asked people to report any sightings.

If you're saying they weren't honest in regards to specific locations of wolves they may have known about, and which may or may not have had collars, why would they give the public this information?

It's just like with spotted owls. Do you think the state should report known locations of nesting spotted owls, and have some nutcase with a shotgun go in and kill them?

The same thing would happen with wolves. I can see why they'd want to keep some of that information to themselves. Doing otherwise would be irresponsible.
Spotted owls don't pose a danger to people/pets/livestock.  They could use the collar information for public safety like they do the elk collars.  When collared elk get too close to a highway, (since elk are usually in a herd they pose a real threat to motorists) the collars activate road warnings and messages are sent to personnel.  Similarly wolves often tend to travel in packs and pose danger to rural communities.  The collar information from wolves could be used to protect these communities--let people like the dog owner or the rancher know when the collared wolf (and likely the pack) are nearby so they can take extra precautions and redouble deterrents.

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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #265 on: March 14, 2013, 06:44:13 PM »
Wolves with collars doesn't prove the government transplanted those wolves there. Maybe they were already there, when they were collared. Maybe they got collared somewhere else (Canada?) and moved to Washington on their own. Im not sure why a collared wolf is seen as proof that the state put them there.

WOW Bocat, you really think outside of the box don't you.  It has to do with denial, you know, there aren't wolves here and confirmation or the lack there of.    :chuckle:  I am glad you take them for their word and believe everything the government tells you.  :chuckle:

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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #266 on: March 14, 2013, 06:46:21 PM »
What is it they haven't been honest about? If you're saying they denied the existence of wolves in north central Washington, that's not true. There were notices posted in the National Forest at least since the late 80's that said there were wolves in the area, and asked people to report any sightings.

If you're saying they weren't honest in regards to specific locations of wolves they may have known about, and which may or may not have had collars, why would they give the public this information?

It's just like with spotted owls. Do you think the state should report known locations of nesting spotted owls, and have some nutcase with a shotgun go in and kill them?

The same thing would happen with wolves. I can see why they'd want to keep some of that information to themselves. Doing otherwise would be irresponsible.
  Well They have not been honest about the impact wolves have on the environment. It does not take a rocket scientist to see what has happened around Yellowstone and ID to game and cattle. I think they Lie to us, as well as them selves. They are either too arrogant to the same kinds of things could happen here, because they do such a great job at mgt, OR they are too stupid.

I'm always so amazed that people like your self have not made the mental leap of the source in this problem. YOU state that the wolves have been in the NC since the 80's..... From what geographic region has this wolf problem come from? Has it been North to south or East to west? While i do not have proof that wolves were planted in WA We do know that wolves have been planted in YNP and ID. And THOSE wolves are not from this geographic area...

They have lied (by omission) that subspecies do not matter. We are told that possible sightings are likely Hybrids (of which they have no proof) but we must not shoot them because they MIGHT be wolves... We are told that a wolf is a wolf yet there are Mexican red wolves McKenzie Canadian wolves and were Timber wolves indigenous tot he PNW but whatever wolves we have now will suffice.

When My child lies to me over and over, I do not believe her on her first declaration. I get my Arse up out of my chair to make sure her room is clean or her homework is done. Trust is MUCH harder to earn back than to keep. If YOU think the WDFW is SOOO deserving of my trust, and other hunters, please tell what great things they have done for us....  I personally can only think of a couple of instances where the WDFW has gotten thier crap together to do things that are simple fixes and make common sense...  :twocents:
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #267 on: March 14, 2013, 07:26:47 PM »
well the other problem and im giving the wdfw a little excuse,  I really don't believe they have much of an idea about anything with the wolf! and i believe all of us are the same way! what i mean is we don't know what kind of interaction with washington the wolf is gonna have!  We think they will feed off ungulates and they shy away from human interaction but since the variables change for every region there is really no telling what is going to happen!  30 years ago if someone seen a moose it was a big deal, now we see them regularly,  studys show they will be gone in less than 4 years! Heard a tidbit that 5 moose where collared this fall and by feb 15, 3 of the 5 were wolf food!  My guess like idaho is moose will be first then elk and deer! It will be interesting what happens in areas that don't have moose or elk? that would be a different variable!lol wdfw doesn't know and neither does anyone else whats gonna happen but hungry large predator with little food usually means bad things for something!

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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #268 on: March 14, 2013, 07:54:29 PM »
Those who say that the government  has nothing to do with the growing number of wolves in our state has, quite frankly, their head in the sand. I grew up in the Methow valley. I hunted and spent more time in those hills then most people combined. Had seen one wolf in all those years. Now suddenly sightings and packs in every part of the Okanogan (and chelan, douglas, etc) Reports that never make it to print here or local papers. Animals with 50% collars. Is this a sudden shift of the earths axis to cause this sudden and recent migration from Canada?? Are the game herds suddenly bigger and riper for the pickings here in our state compared to other states?? Is the weather better here and that is what caused to wolves to retire here?? Has the hunting of wolves in Canada or Idaho stopped as to create a over-abondness of animals? Learn not what to believe, not with your ears, but with your eyes!
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Re: Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.
« Reply #269 on: March 14, 2013, 08:12:53 PM »
Keep us posted on your dogs recovery hope shes ok. Thats hitting a little to close to home cant beleive they tried to switch you up on a cougar attack thats some serious denial, hard to sweep a wolf under the carpet . bs :bash:

 


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