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The economy may be bad.. But I still argue that if I personally can come across so many wolves in my spare time, shouldn't a full time employee be able to do better?
I'm not saying that I don't believe the science behind them moving to breed, I'm saying that that's not all that happened in this state. The wolves have had help getting moved throughout this state. I saw wolves in the south central cascades thirteen years ago. "They" dropped them off two drainages away from our elk camp. For four years we herd them howl, saw there tracks, and eventually we saw them. No I couldn't get pics of them, and I'm sure you'll say BS, but really it makes no difference to me, I know what I saw and other guys saw them too. It took about four years and then nothing, no more sign of any kind. Maybe they moved to breed? I think they moved down to get an easier meal.
I saw wolves in the south central cascades thirteen years ago. "They" dropped them off two drainages away from our elk camp.
Quote from: Sawbuck on March 15, 2013, 07:29:37 PMI'm not saying that I don't believe the science behind them moving to breed, I'm saying that that's not all that happened in this state. The wolves have had help getting moved throughout this state. I saw wolves in the south central cascades thirteen years ago. "They" dropped them off two drainages away from our elk camp. For four years we herd them howl, saw there tracks, and eventually we saw them. No I couldn't get pics of them, and I'm sure you'll say BS, but really it makes no difference to me, I know what I saw and other guys saw them too. It took about four years and then nothing, no more sign of any kind. Maybe they moved to breed? I think they moved down to get an easier meal.I have no reason to call BS on that.
Quote I saw wolves in the south central cascades thirteen years ago. "They" dropped them off two drainages away from our elk camp.I saw three wolves 23 years ago in the north central cascades. But I never thought people put them there. Why do you think those wolves didn't get their on their own four feet?
Should be pretty simple. Delist wolves in the eastern 1/3 of the state; allow shoot on sight status for wolves there. Then for the rest of the State, allow people to protect themselves, livestock, and pets by shooting any wolf that gets too close. I don't see why they really need more funding......
Wolves also move because they breed. New packs form in new areas because they are very territorial. A new pack forms and has to move to a new area. 2 packs won't survive in the same place. I'd bet that's the top reason they're expanding their range in Washington. That Conservation NW documentary with Fitkin that was on the Discovery channel showed that alpha female from the methow move to the teanaway and form a new pack. The wolves in the blues came from Oregon.
Quote from: Curly on March 15, 2013, 04:32:38 PMShould be pretty simple. Delist wolves in the eastern 1/3 of the state; allow shoot on sight status for wolves there. Then for the rest of the State, allow people to protect themselves, livestock, and pets by shooting any wolf that gets too close. I don't see why they really need more funding...... Don't you think it's more complicated than that? This is an endangered species, and the wolves have hundreds of thousands of city people who love them, and want to see them all over this state in high numbers. The state can't simply delist them, just like that. There will be lawsuits. Political ramifications. Who knows what all will happen. The wolf lovers aren't going to just give a thumbs up and shout for joy when the state tries to open a hunting season on wolves. And even if the WDFW successfully gets a hunting season for wolves, do you think they're just going to give away tags for almost no cost like they do cougar tags? No, it'll probably be a draw, "Quality" wolf application will be $15 and the tag will be $300.
You say that these packs drive others out, well here in the Methow Valley we now have five wolf packs, in 2010 we were sure we had seven, that would be seven with pups. So I would have to say thats just one more lie, that the wolves have proven, to be a lie..
Quote from: wolfbait on March 15, 2013, 08:21:58 PMYou say that these packs drive others out, well here in the Methow Valley we now have five wolf packs, in 2010 we were sure we had seven, that would be seven with pups. So I would have to say thats just one more lie, that the wolves have proven, to be a lie..I'm assuming they're spread out though, no? They're not all living in harmony together are they?