Wolf attacks Dog in Twisp, Wa.

[hirshey]

The economy may be bad.. But I still argue that if I personally can come across so many wolves in my spare time, shouldn't a full time employee be able to do better?

We have many WDFW rigs in the Methow Valley, and wolves howling from on end to the other, but I guess we lack get-up-n-go on the part of WDFW. Or maybe they can only count to 2 in the Methow, might be the air. 

Lots of those wdfw rigs are fisheries folks not trappers.. And some of them are certainly disappointed with how the wolf issues have been handled as well.

[MR5x5]

We need to start a Capital forest pack...... A big one.

[boneaddict]

The economy may be bad.. But I still argue that if I personally can come across so many wolves in my spare time, shouldn't a full time employee be able to do better?

TELL ME ABOUT IT!

[Elkaholic daWg]

We need to start a Capital forest pack...... A big one.

 Now that wouldn't be directed at this sites FOREMOST WDFW defender,  would it?

[teanawayslayer]

Is there any truth to killing a grey wolf if it is endangering your pets or property?  Something about a bill that will be passed or has passed.  If that would have been my dog there would be no question in my mind that the wolf would have been toast.

[jackelope]

Is there any truth to killing a grey wolf if it is endangering your pets or property?  Something about a bill that will be passed or has passed.  If that would have been my dog there would be no question in my mind that the wolf would have been toast.

Its in the works.

HB5187 maybe?

[Elkaholic daWg]

SB 5187 - 2013-14
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Protecting livestock against predator attacks.
Revised for 1st Substitute: Protecting domestic animals against gray wolf attacks.

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History of the Bill
as of Saturday, March 16, 2013 8:16 AM

    Sponsors:   Senators Smith, Becker, Roach, Schoesler, Honeyford
    Companion Bill:   HB 1191
 
    2013 REGULAR SESSION
        Jan 23    First reading, referred to Natural Resources & Parks. (View Original Bill)
        Jan 29    Public hearing in the Senate Committee on Natural Resources & Parks at 1:30 PM. (Committee Materials)
        Feb 14    Executive action taken in the Senate Committee on Natural Resources & Parks at 1:30 PM. (Committee Materials)
        Feb 15    NRP - Majority; 1st substitute bill be substituted, do pass. (View 1st Substitute) (Majority Report)
            Minority; do not pass. (Minority Report)
        Feb 18    Passed to Rules Committee for second reading.
        Feb 27    Placed on second reading by Rules Committee.
        Mar 8    1st substitute bill substituted (NRP 13). (View 1st Substitute)
            Rules suspended. Placed on Third Reading.
            Third reading, passed; yeas, 25; nays, 23; absent, 0; excused, 1. (View Roll Calls)
        

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        Mar 11    First reading, referred to Agriculture & Natural Resources (Not Officially read and referred until adoption of Introduction report).
        Mar 20    Scheduled for public hearing in the House Committee on Agriculture & Natural Resources at 8:00 AM. (Subject to change) (Committee Materials)

[MR5x5]

 Now that wouldn't be directed at this sites FOREMOST WDFW defender,  would it?
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No.  Truly not.  We, the state, are all in this together.  We, within the state, are not impacted anywhere near on an equal basis.  Clearly the vast majority in favor are not being impacted at all.  If establishment of populations is the end goal, I am at a loss as to why wouldn't do everything possible to achieve this noble goal...and expose all of us within the state to impacts of our decisions.  That one side our state is pitted against the other is saddening.

The idea that we treat the wolves as endanger is insane!!!  They are not.  When was the last time you saw a Giraffe in our woods?  I guess they must be endangered too...

Tree Huggers - Their basic problem is that they don't understand there is very little natural about nature anymore.  Hasn't been for at least the 100+ years or more.

Full disclosure - I hale from East Issaquah - I'm not an east side wacko

[Elkaholic daWg]

Now that wouldn't be directed at this sites FOREMOST WDFW defender,  would it?

No.  Truly not.  We, the state, are all in this together.  We, within the state, are not impacted anywhere near on an equal basis.  Clearly the vast majority in favor are not being impacted at all.  If establishment of populations is the end goal, I am at a loss as to why wouldn't do everything possible to achieve this noble goal...and expose all of us within the state to impacts of our decisions.  That one side our state is pitted against the other is saddening.

The idea that we treat the wolves as endanger is insane!!!  They are not.  When was the last time you saw a Giraffe in our woods?  I guess they must be endangered too...

Tree Huggers - Their basic problem is that they don't understand there is very little natural about nature anymore.  Hasn't been for at least the 100+ years or more.

Full disclosure - I hale from East Issaquah - I'm not an east side wacko

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just curious





 Looks like the Senate did the work on this one. WE NEED to get on our representatives to pass the senate version, since they let theirs die....

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Protecting livestock against predator attacks.

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as of Saturday, March 16, 2013 8:23 AM

    Sponsors:   Representatives Short, Blake, Takko, Shea, Kretz, Crouse, Schmick, Chandler, Orcutt, Fagan
    Companion Bill:   SB 5187
 
    2013 REGULAR SESSION
        Jan 18    First reading, referred to Agriculture & Natural Resources. (View Original Bill)
        Feb 5    Public hearing in the House Committee on Agriculture & Natural Resources at 10:00 AM. (Committee Materials)

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[Curly]

Should be pretty simple.  Delist wolves in the eastern 1/3 of the state; allow shoot on sight status for wolves there.  Then for the rest of the State, allow people to protect themselves, livestock, and pets by shooting any wolf that gets too close.  I don't see why they really need more funding......

   Don't you think it's more complicated than that? This is an endangered species, and the wolves have hundreds of thousands of city people who love them, and want to see them all over this state in high numbers. The state can't simply delist them, just like that. There will be lawsuits. Political ramifications. Who knows what all will happen. The wolf lovers aren't going to just give a thumbs up and shout for joy when the state tries to open a hunting season on wolves. And even if the WDFW successfully gets a hunting season for wolves, do you think they're just going to give away tags for almost no cost like they do cougar tags? No, it'll probably be a draw, "Quality" wolf application will be $15 and the tag will be $300.

It really doesn't need to be more complicated than that.  The Feds already gave the State the right to delist the eastern 1/3; the state should have done it ASAP.  All we need is someone with some balls as director of WDFW and a commission that isn't scared of all the wolf huggers. 

WA State was in a perfect position to come out with a good wolf plan since we had the benefit of watching what happened in ID, MT, and WY.  We already know that hunting isn't very effective for controlling the population, so why not allow hunting?  It would make us sportsmen feel better to kill some wolves and feel like we're making a difference (even though it may be only a small difference).

WDFW should have delisted wolves where the feds allowed it to happen, and they should have been arguing with the Feds about delisting the rest of the state.  Not the other way around where the State has a wolf plan that is just so crazy in favor of wolves. 

As far as wolf huggers and lawsuits, we need judges to tell them to pound sand.  That is a terrible way to manage wildlife (by public opinion and lawsuits).  We need a governor like Butch Otter to just give the middle finger to the feds and the wolf huggers. 

(On another note, aren't Initiatives only valid for a couple years?  Why can't the state allow trapping, hound hunting, and bear baiting again?)    Wildlife management by initiative and by the dumb public is stupid.

[Curly]

Oh, and another thing.  WDFW is supposed to be our ally (you know the sportsmen who pay their salaries).........not in bed with the Defenders of Wildlife (which is what it seems like sometimes).  
 
BTW - I still think the State should pay the vet bills.  Maybe they don't have to legally (and maybe it would set precedence) but I think it's the right thing to do for Mr. Stevie).

    Rant over. 

[wolfbait]

Lynn Stuter questions Senator Ranker’s claims regarding wolf bill http://okanoganrlc.wordpress.com/2013/03/16/lynn-stuter-questions-senator-rankers-claims-regarding-wolf-bill/

[Elkaholic daWg]

 GOOD one Wolfbait!

[mulehunter]

 

[Elkaholic daWg]

 I've got a moron in the family....... Shared this one.....


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