Yeah, there's a lot of posts in the archives for Athens. I've owned an Exceed and Ibex. Both great bows. Wish I still had them, but sold them to finance other projects. If you're looking for a short ATA the Ibex is a winner. IMO, it's a much better value than the Heli-m. If I had ~$500 in my pocket I'd get a used Afflixtion off of AT in a heartbeat. The Athens warranty covers their bows for life no matter who the owner is.