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When you say that your pins are equally spaced, I am assuming that you have a new sight that you are dealing with.Depending on the speed of your arrow/bow combination your pins may be more closely spaced at shorter ranges and spaced further apart as the range increases. As the arrow looses velocity it will arc more and as such the pin gap will increase accordingly.Another topic to consider:Most everyone I know and speak with uses their sight pins for equally spaced distances in ten yard increments. When I purchased my rangefinder, I found that hardly ever was anything that I ranged at a nice, round increment of ten yards (i.e.10, 20 or 30 yards). Invariably the ranges shown were similar to “27 yards, 33 yards, 16 yards, 54 yards, etc, etc.”Most recently, I have re-sighted my pins at ten yard increments starting at 15 yards and then going to 25, 35, 45, etc, etc.Now, I don’t bother with estimating the correct gap between pins when shooting. I choose the closest pin to the range finder’s reading and concentrate on my form. I have found that the additional attention required to focus upon estimating the correct distance between two pins was distracting enough for me that I was unable to properly focus on the more important aspects of making the shot. If my arrow strikes high or low an inch or two, I am not concerned. I would much rather hit a little high or low than fore or aft…particularly on a game animal.I have found that I am a much better shot (at game or otherwise) when I don’t have to think about anything. Perhaps it’s just the way my simple mind works. I never claimed to be a genius.
You Sir are a gifted, dedicated and obviously naturally talented individual.As for myself…the dedication is there and a modicum of talent but my gifts are far and few between. Therefore, I must take advantage of everything to maximize my success.Your practice of varying shooting positions is excellent. There will rarely be a time when an archer a field will be afforded the opportunity to implement his or her back yard “perfect” form. I have found that sitting on a stool and kneeling (both knees down) are very stabile positions assuming one can achieve correct shoulder orientation. In fact, I have found that my stool shooting shaves off a decidedly measurable percentage of my group sizes. I believe this is because sitting removes at least half of the swiveling joints from my skeleton or “shooting platform”.I would also add that if one is contemplating the use of ground blind or tree stand, they actually be incorporated into the standard practice routine. It is much preferred to work out the logistics of entering, shooting from and leaving a stand while un-pressured rather than trying to dope out correct procedures while hunting.However, in this fellow’s case as a beginning archer, he needs every positive influence in achieving success. As such he should be focused on the least contorted, most stabile, correct shooting positions he can attain as he is just now in the “sighting in” stage of the process. When his arrows and bow are tuned to one another, he is absolutely sure his sights are dialed in and his shooting technique is perfected, then he can engage in the finer points of field shooting at game.
Quote from: konrad on April 16, 2013, 09:57:12 AMWhen you say that your pins are equally spaced, I am assuming that you have a new sight that you are dealing with.Depending on the speed of your arrow/bow combination your pins may be more closely spaced at shorter ranges and spaced further apart as the range increases. As the arrow looses velocity it will arc more and as such the pin gap will increase accordingly.Another topic to consider:Most everyone I know and speak with uses their sight pins for equally spaced distances in ten yard increments. When I purchased my rangefinder, I found that hardly ever was anything that I ranged at a nice, round increment of ten yards (i.e.10, 20 or 30 yards). Invariably the ranges shown were similar to “27 yards, 33 yards, 16 yards, 54 yards, etc, etc.”Most recently, I have re-sighted my pins at ten yard increments starting at 15 yards and then going to 25, 35, 45, etc, etc.Now, I don’t bother with estimating the correct gap between pins when shooting. I choose the closest pin to the range finder’s reading and concentrate on my form. I have found that the additional attention required to focus upon estimating the correct distance between two pins was distracting enough for me that I was unable to properly focus on the more important aspects of making the shot. If my arrow strikes high or low an inch or two, I am not concerned. I would much rather hit a little high or low than fore or aft…particularly on a game animal.I have found that I am a much better shot (at game or otherwise) when I don’t have to think about anything. Perhaps it’s just the way my simple mind works. I never claimed to be a genius.Your right, its still setup how it came as far as pins. Ive only adjusted up and downs. Im not sure what my bow shoots as far as fps but I imagine its not very high as its from 2005. Probably in the 270-280 range but like I said I really dont know. Its a hoyt ultrasport zr100 if that tells you anything. Set at 62lbs and 28 inch draw. So you confirmed what i basiclly was thinking. That my 40 50 and 60 should be spaced apart more. Today Im gonna do some range tuning now that I know and hopefully I wont lose any arrows in the process The alternative setup doesnt sound like a bad idea. 15-25-35-45-55. I imagine I wont ever be shooting past 55 yards as we all know thats an unethical shot without absolute perfect conditions. Which is almost never.
Quote from: Smossy on April 16, 2013, 11:42:02 AMQuote from: konrad on April 16, 2013, 09:57:12 AMWhen you say that your pins are equally spaced, I am assuming that you have a new sight that you are dealing with.Depending on the speed of your arrow/bow combination your pins may be more closely spaced at shorter ranges and spaced further apart as the range increases. As the arrow looses velocity it will arc more and as such the pin gap will increase accordingly.Another topic to consider:Most everyone I know and speak with uses their sight pins for equally spaced distances in ten yard increments. When I purchased my rangefinder, I found that hardly ever was anything that I ranged at a nice, round increment of ten yards (i.e.10, 20 or 30 yards). Invariably the ranges shown were similar to “27 yards, 33 yards, 16 yards, 54 yards, etc, etc.”Most recently, I have re-sighted my pins at ten yard increments starting at 15 yards and then going to 25, 35, 45, etc, etc.Now, I don’t bother with estimating the correct gap between pins when shooting. I choose the closest pin to the range finder’s reading and concentrate on my form. I have found that the additional attention required to focus upon estimating the correct distance between two pins was distracting enough for me that I was unable to properly focus on the more important aspects of making the shot. If my arrow strikes high or low an inch or two, I am not concerned. I would much rather hit a little high or low than fore or aft…particularly on a game animal.I have found that I am a much better shot (at game or otherwise) when I don’t have to think about anything. Perhaps it’s just the way my simple mind works. I never claimed to be a genius.Your right, its still setup how it came as far as pins. Ive only adjusted up and downs. Im not sure what my bow shoots as far as fps but I imagine its not very high as its from 2005. Probably in the 270-280 range but like I said I really dont know. Its a hoyt ultrasport zr100 if that tells you anything. Set at 62lbs and 28 inch draw. So you confirmed what i basiclly was thinking. That my 40 50 and 60 should be spaced apart more. Today Im gonna do some range tuning now that I know and hopefully I wont lose any arrows in the process The alternative setup doesnt sound like a bad idea. 15-25-35-45-55. I imagine I wont ever be shooting past 55 yards as we all know thats an unethical shot without absolute perfect conditions. Which is almost never.Slow down smossy. With practice you should be hitting 60 yard shot consistantly. You have a nice, newer, pretty fast and accurate bow. Piece of cake. I know you live by tsc. They have a great facility. If you shoot or sight in there, you shouldnt loose any arrows. They have better backstops most likely then you do. Good luck. You can certanily be ethical out past 55 yards. It does take practice and confidence.
I found that this chart: http://www.bowmenofskelmersdale.co.uk/sight_calibration.html was very accurate and easy to use. I sighted in my 20 and 30 and then used the chart to find my 40, 50, and 60. Worked great!
Yea, it will be full page. If for some reasons it doesn't work I will scan my copy and email it to you if you want.
I just got back into shooting my bow after 7 years of not bow hunting. I can’t believe all the so-called stuff you have to have to shoot tight groups at any given yard. IE; levels on your sites. I saw one site that had a glow green dot that had a smaller black dot you had to center while your pin was on the target before each shot. By the time you look at all this stuff your shot on your game animal is gone. I just wonder now I killed deer w/a re-curve and longbow no sites and how I killed my first buck with a compound bow using fingers at 30 yds? Anchor point and practice, practice, practice. I would go for walks in the woods no ranger finders and judge yardage and stump shoot w/judo points. I never used a ranger finder until the late 90’s and then only from a tree stand. We can make anything harder than it really is. Don’t get me wrong I’m not trying to bust anybody’s balls here, just saying what works for me.
Or split the difference between the pins. might be more accurate than holding high/low. The hardest shot for me is when they are 15 and closer. Ive heard you can just look down your arrow spline but i need to try this on the range. I'll probably look lime a dummy shooting at a target from 10 yards, but thats better than missing a bull that close.
Quote from: elk247 on April 17, 2013, 10:24:59 PMOr split the difference between the pins. might be more accurate than holding high/low. The hardest shot for me is when they are 15 and closer. Ive heard you can just look down your arrow spline but i need to try this on the range. I'll probably look lime a dummy shooting at a target from 10 yards, but thats better than missing a bull that close.The archery program also helps with the close shots too. Let me see if I can find the chart I made, then just taped it to my rangefinder. The take home for my setup for close range was anything between 7 and 25 yards, just have to use my 20 yard pin. Anything between 2 and 7 yards, should be able to fit my whole site on the vitals and hit a deer or elk. If it is under 2 yards, I'll be shipping my pants.80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 8980 80 +2 80 +4 80 +7 80 +9 80 +11 80 +14 80 +16 80 +19 80 +2270 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 7970 70 +2 70 +4 70 +6 70 +8 70 +10 80 -8 80 -6 80 -4 80 -260 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 6960 60 +2 60 +3 60 +5 60 +6 60 +8 70 -7 70 -5 70 -3 70 -250 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 5950 50 +1 50 +2 50 +4 50 +5 50 +7 60 -5 60 -4 60 -3 60 -140 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 4940 40 +1 40 +2 40 +3 40 +4 40 +5 50 -4 50 -3 50 -2 50 -130 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 3930 30 +1 30 +1 30 +2 30 +3 30 +4 40 -3 40 -2 40 -2 40 -120 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 2920 20 20 +1 20 +1 20 +1 20 +2 30 -2 30 -2 30 -1 30 -110 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 1920 20 20 -1 20 -1 20 -1 20 -1 20 -1 20 -1 20 200 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 980 +4 80 +2 80 60 50 40 30 20 +1 20 20
Seems logical. But field test that theroy, i shot a bull a 10 yards with my 20 yard pin and it shot high of the vitals but below the spine. Luckly it clipped a bit of lung. Maybe i was shaking like a leaf? I tried to controll my breathing but i was excited for sure.
Right on! Congrats on the birds RadSav. Looks like Dale has been kicking butt on the birds so far.