Luminocks Legalized for Washington

[huntnphool]

Either way was cool for me. I don't mind using them if they are legal but never felt like I had to have them.

From a tree stand if you get a pass threw chance are it will be sticking in the ground and easy to find

My thoughts about them exactly.  I never lost sleep over not having them.  But it is fun to watch my arrows again since my eyesight matured.

Good point on the treestand too.  If you never get out of the tree you probably could go your whole bowhunting life without losing an arrow.  Just look at arrow sales for the 11 western states compared to the rest of the country.  We only have about 9% of the bowhunting population and yet our arrow sales are way above that relative 9%.

That is very interesting for sure.

I hope Ray and his buddy's don't lose too much sleep over this new rule.

[RadSav]

You should see the lopsided numbers with 70+# bows, two piece quivers and 7 pin sights! 

That subject was brought up at the ATA show with one of our best customers.  An eastern big boy with sales figures that boggle the mind!  He said in over 20 years he had sold about four two piece quivers, had just sold his first 7 pin sight to a guy heading to Idaho for an elk hunt, and he guessed he sells fewer than six 70# bows per year.

Fun Fact:   Bear Archery did a "How many sight pins do you prefer?" poll not long ago. 356 archers cast a vote.  Choices were 1,3,5,7 or more and slider-style.  #1 answer was 3 pin!  Votes for a single pin were more than 3 times that of the votes for 7 or more pins.

They also did a poll on "What would you give for a new Anarchy bow?"  4,424 votes were taken.  #1 answer = My Girlfriend

[carpsniperg2]

That's funny I would have guessed the number 1 to be wives! ROFLOL. At least I already have a anarchy 

That is pretty cool info Bryan. Never would have guessed the numbers to be that lop sided.

[huntnphool]

You should see the lopsided numbers with 70+# bows, two piece quivers and 7 pin sights! 

That subject was brought up at the ATA show with one of our best customers.  An eastern big boy with sales figures that boggle the mind!  He said in over 20 years he had sold about four two piece quivers, had just sold his first 7 pin sight to a guy heading to Idaho for an elk hunt, and he guessed he sells fewer than six 70# bows per year.

Fun Fact:   Bear Archery did a "How many sight pins do you prefer?" poll not long ago. 356 archers cast a vote.  Choices were 1,3,5,7 or more and slider-style.  #1 answer was 3 pin!  Votes for a single pin were more than 3 times that of the votes for 7 or more pins.

They also did a poll on "What would you give for a new Anarchy bow?"  4,424 votes were taken.  #1 answer = My Girlfriend

I don't doubt it. I ran into a guy a few years back in Montana that was hunting with a outfitter. We were chasing elk in the SW and he was shocked that my bow had 5 pins and went to 60. I told him I had friends that easily shoot out to 80 but 60 was my max, he said a long shot for him back home in Iowa was 30 yards and that was the furthest he was set up to shoot.

[RadSav]

I don't doubt it. I ran into a guy a few years back in Montana that was hunting with a outfitter. We were chasing elk in the SW and he was shocked that my bow had 5 pins and went to 60. I told him I had friends that easily shoot out to 80 but 60 was my max, he said a long shot for him back home in Iowa was 30 yards and that was the furthest he was set up to shoot.

What was his third pin set for?  Even with WA rated arrows and 62# I could not have a 10 yard pin or 10 and 20 would be just one big pin with my eyes.  I set a 20 yard pin for turkey hunting yesterday.  First time in about 10 years I've had a 20 yard pin.  Even my sliders usually start at 30.  I think if I was only shooting from a treestand and never took a shot over 35 yards I'd trash the three pin and go with just one.  Sure would save on the target panic from having three pins so close together.  Not sure I'd have much of a problem watching my plain ol' green nocked arrow all the way to the target either.

[Kazekurt]

Before arrows got so expensive I was a sucker for big blue grouse.  That's where a lot of those Winthrop arrows were lost.  I still have a hard time passing up a big blue even with high end arrows and prototype broadheads.   We also hunt blacktails around the blackberries in early season.  After a pint of blood I'm about done looking for an arrow!

I'm a sucker for grouse as well.  Me and a buddy lost or broke over $100 worth of arrows in one day in Montana.  We finally started putting a few cheap arrows in the quiver as we knew we couldn't resist the temptation:-)

[dreamingbig]

Zero of the elk and deer I have killed have been out of a tree stand.  My point is that you lose far less arrows in the woods than you think when you put in the practice ahead of time and make good ethical shot decisions in relation to your ability.

[pianoman9701]

Now if we can get mechanical broadheads through, that'll be about it! Good deal.

[huntnphool]

Now if we can get mechanical broadheads through, that'll be about it! Good deal.

Not really, don't forget about the "slippery slope" all the doomsday archers complained about, now we need to legalize lights, scopes, rangefinders etc.......and then shorten the seasons.

[coachcw]

wow Rav the amount of info you have is nuts. I've sot luminocks at 305 fps out of my set up with 100 broadheads right at 420grains and 70 lbs with no accuarcy issues , my bow is in tune and with four fletchs flight is true . Ive never worried abot foc but do you think 125 grains bh would tighten up groups with the maxima 350's

[ghostshell]

i shoot a bowtech asassain 29in draw 63.8 peak pounds... carbon express maxima hunters cut to 29.5. helical blazer vein with wraps, 100 grain broads and field points, weigh 395 goin through the air at 285 fps. nockturnals give me from 1/4 inch groups to 5 inch groups at 100 yards with my MBG ascent. anyone who sprays they make your arrow fly bad need to check their gear cuz mine fly extremely similar if not the same at any distance. i use them at my outdoor range with shots with random distance out to 70 yards wich you can step back 100 yards plus on targets . targets vary all natural steep incline decline, across revines etc, real deal stuff. i love them for seeing where i shot from long d, no binos needed. why the hell would anyone diss them? pope and young? who cares. i hunt for me not them. i agree with others its funny we can use a laser range finder, bait deer, use tree stands, ground blinds, scents etc but a lighted nock that you only see as the arrows released? in no way does that help your hunt. i personally am tired of finding garbage out in the woods, its wild to find mans trash deep in the middle of no wear. at least a choice to use them is present when in our jungle woods thats hard enough to find anything. i may or may not hunt with them for big game, i will for turkey and coyotes though. my only gripe is they even when paired with companys nock for my arrow (s)they def do not fit as tight, prob 30% less. they do stay in place but not like the carbon express cx precision nocks. happy hunting and cant we all just get along?.............

[MDGrand]

Finally the debate is over and they are allowed.

I WILL be using them and I thank the committee for no longer minimizing my freedom on something that is an "after the fact" event.

Long time coming and glad they are here.

[huntnnw]

Rangefinders shouldnt be legal at all if you wanna talk electronics...You wanna talk about something giving a archers a direct advantage.

[RadSav]

wow Rav the amount of info you have is nuts. I've sot luminocks at 305 fps out of my set up with 100 broadheads right at 420grains and 70 lbs with no accuarcy issues , my bow is in tune and with four fletchs flight is true . Ive never worried abot foc but do you think 125 grains bh would tighten up groups with the maxima 350's

More drag on the back end gives you similar results as weight on the front end - within reason.  I've found my best results at 12% FOC, but I do experience more flexibility in going lighter FOC when using four fletch Blazers.  Depending on your arrow length it may or may not be an issue.  Most range shooting conditions are the very best we can expect in the woods.  Just look at the Redding scores in years the weather is poor.  Scores reflect the issues varying weather conditions have on target arrows, champion level shooters and the best of the best equipment.  Now place a planning surface on the front end of those arrows in the same weather conditions.  That's when higher than 10% FOC really comes into play. 

Unlike some on here I myself can not shoot at a Randy Ulmer level of accuracy and consistency.  So when the weather puts odds against me with wind, rain and heavy snow I prefer to shoot a setup that gives me every advantage I can get.  Myself, along with most everyone else I hunt with, have found that short high profile fletching and 12-15% FOC has given us the best advantage in these conditions.  If some local range master disagrees with me - so be it!  But if one were to accept my advise I'd definitely try to stress a minimum FOC above 10%.

For you Coach - I can not give you much more advise than that without more details of the arrow/bow setup.  But I can tell you that if your arrows spine can handle it stepping up to a 125 grain point when you are shooting 305fps now surely will not hurt a thing.  Find a good windy day with rain and go shoot both head weights at your comfortable distance.  You just might end up like me and start believing that there is really something magical about 12%!  So much so in my mind that I make all my own brass or stainless inserts so no matter what arrow/head combination I choose to shoot my FOC is always at or above that magical 12%.

[coachcw]

  I will give it a try thanks .