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So no public easements or public contracts are being violated?Not sure specifically what you mean by deception, manipulation, devastated economies, etc. Do you or do you not have specific proof they violated any laws or cheated anyone and can you post that proof?Honestly I know almost nothing about Weyerhauser other than a heck of a lot of people have gotten paychecks from them, that doesn't seem like a bad thing to me, my interest in this discussion is protecting property rights.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=WYNorthway - pretty much describes all public companies with a board making decisions for investors. Profit above all else. If you get big enough you lobby and pad politician bankrolls.
QuoteSo no public easements or public contracts are being violated?Not sure specifically what you mean by deception, manipulation, devastated economies, etc. Do you or do you not have specific proof they violated any laws or cheated anyone and can you post that proof?Honestly I know almost nothing about Weyerhauser other than a heck of a lot of people have gotten paychecks from them, that doesn't seem like a bad thing to me, my interest in this discussion is protecting property rights.I can't answer whether public easements or contracts are being violated in SW Washington. You could read "Railroads & Clearcuts". It would give you perspective on how the whole land grant process was supposed to work and how it actually worked. Maybe you and I should have more rights on those land grants than we thought?
Well, in a nutshell Weyerhaeuser is a timber company- if they also want to be involve in the hunting lease business, they should be taxed accordingly.
Quote from: bobcat on May 01, 2013, 06:25:22 PMWell, in a nutshell Weyerhaeuser is a timber company- if they also want to be involve in the hunting lease business, they should be taxed accordingly.If they take in money they will be paying taxes on it.
Quote from: bearpaw on May 01, 2013, 06:54:16 PMQuote from: bobcat on May 01, 2013, 06:25:22 PMWell, in a nutshell Weyerhaeuser is a timber company- if they also want to be involve in the hunting lease business, they should be taxed accordingly.If they take in money they will be paying taxes on it.Maybe so, but obviously not enough to discourage them from shutting down their land to the general public.
Quote from: Northway on May 01, 2013, 05:56:41 PMQuoteSo no public easements or public contracts are being violated?Not sure specifically what you mean by deception, manipulation, devastated economies, etc. Do you or do you not have specific proof they violated any laws or cheated anyone and can you post that proof?Honestly I know almost nothing about Weyerhauser other than a heck of a lot of people have gotten paychecks from them, that doesn't seem like a bad thing to me, my interest in this discussion is protecting property rights.I can't answer whether public easements or contracts are being violated in SW Washington. You could read "Railroads & Clearcuts". It would give you perspective on how the whole land grant process was supposed to work and how it actually worked. Maybe you and I should have more rights on those land grants than we thought?I googled it but only found books for sale. We have railroad granted timber lands in eastern WA too, have never heard that they were acquired illegally. It would be interesting to know the facts on whether the railroad was supposed to maintain public access or not, obviously that would reflect on this discussion. Totally agree that many politicians will do anything for the right amount of dollars.Would point out that the job of any company is to make money, I don't fault any company for doing that, this country needs successful companies.
So if I incorporate my business tomorrow you are saying I have to open my land up to the public? Those are privately owned lands, they can charge if they want as far as I am concerned. Probably half this state is public land for anyone to hunt on, I just don't understand this attitude where people think they can control someone's land.
Weyerhaeuser tests access fee on Molalla timberland By Ev Hu, The Oregonian The Oregonian on July 06, 2008 at 8:21 PM, updated July 07, 2008 at 1:04 PM Doug Beghtel / The OregonianMerlin Cosada records Jake Naylor's name and license plate number before allowing him access to Weyerhaeuser property near Molalla. The registration is part of a pilot program that charges visitors to the Molalla Tree Farm. MOLALLA -- The Weyerhaeuser Co., which traditionally opens its vast Western timberlands to public recreation, imposed its first access fee in Oregon this spring on the 57,000-acre Molalla Tree Farm. Hikers, mountain bikers, hunters, fishers and others must now pay $250 for annual permits to visit the site in southern Clackamas County. Company officials described the arrangement as a pilot program that might spread to more of Weyerhaeuser's 1.1 million acres of Oregon timberlands. Most visitors treat company property like their own, said Greg Miller, a Weyerhaeuser spokesman. "But a few bad apples kind of spoil it for the rest." Visitors have dumped old cars and refrigerators, set up meth labs, damaged roads and shot up signs on company property. Although officials don't track how much they spend on upkeep, the cost is significant, Miller said. Scott Marlega, the company's land-use manager of north valley operations, said Weyerhaeuser wants to keep its private lands open for public access in the Northwest, but that has become increasingly challenging and costly. Tree farm permits• For more information about access permits and the Molalla Tree Farm, call 866-437-7778 or click on quality-service-inc.comNationwide, Weyerhaeuser owns about 6.4 million acres and has similar fee requirements on several properties outside Oregon, especially in the South, Miller said. Other timber companies that allow public access to their land in Oregon and southwest Washington say they have no plans to impose fees -- at least for now. Plum Creek Timber Co., the largest owner of private timberlands in the country, offers free public access, with some restrictions, to its 405,000 acres in Oregon, said spokeswoman Kathy Budinick. "But you never know what the future holds." Longview Fibre Co. has considered imposing fees to access the 587,000 acres it owns in Oregon and Washington but found the idea impractical. The company's land has several access points and would be hard to monitor, said Blake Rowe, senior vice president. He said his company will monitor how people receive Weyerhaeuser's permit system. Since Weyerhaeuser started charging for access to the Molalla Tree Farm program in mid-May, about 100 recreation permits have been sold. People are responding well, said Shelley Tschida, CEO of Quality Services Inc., the contractor hired to patrol the property. Before Weyerhaeuser established the permit system, visitors could access the Molalla property only on foot, except during hunting season, when vehicle entry was allowed. Now permit-holders can drive into the farm from mid-May to Nov. 30 on weekday evenings after logging operations have stopped and on weekends, she said. Quality Services will staff the farm's entrance across from the Glen Avon Bridge from 6 p.m. to one hour after sunset on weekdays and from one hour before sunrise to one hour after sunset on weekends, Miller said. Attendants also will check permits of those using the property. Tim Dilworth owns Dickey Prairie Store, about three miles from the farm's entrance. He has heard some complaints from folks who think the permits cost too much, but overall, people seem happy, he said. "It's so beautiful," Dilworth said of the tree farm. "A lot of people like to jump into the holes out there." Dilworth has not bought a permit, but he was happy to hear that the farm was providing vehicle access for the public again. His family is thinking about pitching in to buy a permit, he said. "I think it'll be nice," he said. "It's all people who have paid, so they'll take care of it." -- Olga Munoz; olgamunoz@news.oregonian.com© OregonLive.com. All rights reserved.
To all Permittees,Weyerhaeuser Company would like to thank you for your participation in the Molalla Recreational Access Program. We contracted with Quality Services Inc. to administer the program and they did an outstanding job over the last two years. We have received numerous compliments on how professional and friendly their staff conducted business. Due to lower then anticipated interest in the program during 2008-2009, Weyerhaeuser Company has decided not to continue the program into 2010. This decision was not based on any problems associated with permittees, because overall you followed our rules. The main reason for not continuing the program is due to the poor economy. Starting January 1, 2010, the Molalla Tree Farm will once again be open for non-motorized (walk-in) recreational access. A permit will not be required. We will allow access as long as there is no vandalism, motorcycles, or ATV use. We may also close the area during high fire danger, which typically runs from July through September. Please continue addressing your questions directly to QSI until December 31, 2009. Starting January 1, 2010, you can obtain the latest recreational access information for this area, please call our toll free hot line at: 1-888-741-5403 or you can send me an e-mail scott.marlega@weyerhaeuser.com. Regards, Scott MarlegaWeyerhaeuser Company, North Valley Land Use Manager
The pay to hunt program in Oregon lasted for two years. Apparently they weren't bringing in enough money. The first year was $250, which allowed up to two vehicles, with the family and up to 6 guests. The second year they kept the $250 fee but allowed only 3 guests, and only one vehicle. This is the announcement from Weyerhaeuser that they are ending the program:QuoteTo all Permittees,Weyerhaeuser Company would like to thank you for your participation in the Molalla Recreational Access Program. We contracted with Quality Services Inc. to administer the program and they did an outstanding job over the last two years. We have received numerous compliments on how professional and friendly their staff conducted business. Due to lower then anticipated interest in the program during 2008-2009, Weyerhaeuser Company has decided not to continue the program into 2010. This decision was not based on any problems associated with permittees, because overall you followed our rules. The main reason for not continuing the program is due to the poor economy. Starting January 1, 2010, the Molalla Tree Farm will once again be open for non-motorized (walk-in) recreational access. A permit will not be required. We will allow access as long as there is no vandalism, motorcycles, or ATV use. We may also close the area during high fire danger, which typically runs from July through September. Please continue addressing your questions directly to QSI until December 31, 2009. Starting January 1, 2010, you can obtain the latest recreational access information for this area, please call our toll free hot line at: 1-888-741-5403 or you can send me an e-mail scott.marlega@weyerhaeuser.com. Regards, Scott MarlegaWeyerhaeuser Company, North Valley Land Use Manager