I hate wolves. JUST hate them

[pianoman9701]

It is common knowledge that enviro whacko's like to masquerade as hunters to discredit and persuade hunting conversations. 

I wonder if acnewman55 even knows the name of the hunter in his/her profile photo.   

I know it's scary when people disagree with you. 

And 2/3 of your post was not even relevant to what I was talking about. Typical know it all, long winded Hunt Wa member. Shorten it up Pianoboy.

One thing I noticed immediately about this site; they ban you if you don't agree with the majority. IMO- it takes away from the creditability of the site. I always thought chat room sites were for everyone to share their opinions etc. The best chat rooms allow folks to disagree. Just because someone is for or aganist wolves, does not make them a tree hugger, wolf loving troll, etc. I happen to want ALL wolves wiped out, but I respect anyones opinion if they support wolves.

This is a hunting site. I know of no one who's been banned just for stating an opinion. I've seen some banned for making threats, continued obscenities, and for harassing other members. I understand that your lengthy tenure here of 32 posts is enough to make a judgment about the entire forum and how much it sucks. Feel free to log out anytime you like.

As I mentioned this is a hunting site. The repopulation of wolves into WA creates a whole new variable with regard to our ungulate resources. Many of us, based on our experience of the plans adopted by the states of MT, WY, and ID fear for the future of our passion. So, the wolf issue is about as contentious as they come for hunters who've dedicated a good part of their lives studying, improving habitat for, and hunting elk, deer, and moose. If you don't have the skin for it, don't participate in the discussion.

Had you been heavily involved in this site over the last month, you would perhaps seen what I've seen; that HuntWA is a forum filled with remarkable people who are knowledgeable, supportive, and unbelievably generous. In no other forum have I ever witnessed the depth of caring and integrity when the chips are down as I have here.

Calling me Pianoboy is childish. I hope you found it satisfying. Someone who posts on a site which they think is BS is an idiot with nothing better to do with their time. I have no time to debate either an idiot or a child. Have fun.

[rtspring]

Listen from a guy who has been banned over 5 Times!  Each time I rightly deserved it! I always get a PM from Dale, explaing why! 

Take it with a grain of salt, we all get heated and never do we all Agree. Thats life!

This is an amazing site, take the good with the bad.

Just a heads up from a fellow hunter!

Rtspring

[Skyvalhunter]

Yes Acenewman55's true colors have shown. A wolf trying to hide in sheeps clothing. Maybe you will come to the table when you have something to offer.Time for you to be added to the ignore list.

[Elkaholic daWg]

 Trolls can be entertaining........

[KyleMB123]

There should be a catch and release program for wolves in this state. Catch them and then release them in Seattle. The wolves would feel right at home in Mt. Baker Park.

[jackmaster]

i agree, start realeasing wolves in the areas where seattlites hang out, like the parks by lake washington, whats it called green lake, then the wolf lovers can go see them all the time. you guys wanted them then you guys provide the area for them. sportsman do more for are wildlife so we will continually be able to do what we love, sportsman didnt ask for wolves and its kind B.S. that this kinda stuff isnt brought to a vote.... i would even think that your typical bunny lovin, tree huggin, butterfly catchin types have enough common sense to where they wouldnt have even passed somethin like this, especially when there is a very good chance of young kids especially being targeted by wolves, WHICH WILL HAPPEN MIND YOU, but also the toll that they are and will take on are deer and elk heards and the tons of money that will be getting payed out every year to farmers who lives stock pay the ultimate price....

[Elkaholic daWg]

Wolves.......... Seriously what are some people going to do...

http://www.backcountryrebels.com/showthread.php?p=891284&posted=1#post891284

[Northway]

It is common knowledge that enviro whacko's like to masquerade as hunters to discredit and persuade hunting conversations. 

I wonder if acnewman55 even knows the name of the hunter in his/her profile photo.   

I know it's scary when people disagree with you. 

One thing I noticed immediately about this site; they ban you if you don't agree with the majority. IMO- it takes away from the creditability of the site. I always thought chat room sites were for everyone to share their opinions etc. The best chat rooms allow folks to disagree. Just because someone is for or aganist wolves, does not make them a tree hugger, wolf loving troll, etc. I happen to want ALL wolves wiped out, but I respect anyones opinion if they support wolves.

I think this site is actually moderated pretty well. Light moderation is absolutely necessary to maintain any kind of control over the debate that goes on in a thread. I've been to websites that brag about being completely unmoderated discussing controversial issues, and things degrade into a complete s**t show 80% of the time.

There's no such thing as a website that moderates from a completely unbiased position. Can you get away with a bit more as an anti-wolfer on this site than as a pro-wolfer? Of course you can! I don't believe that detracts from the quality of the website at all, however. It's a site created for, and used primarily by hunters. There are similar sites representing the other side that allow dissenting opinions, but essentially moderate the same way.

If you are a pro-wolfer, you have to acknowledge that this blog is noteworthy in the sense that it is probably the most tolerant site representing folks who are generally anti-wolf on the internet. If you disagree, post a link to the blog and prove me wrong.

[boneaddict]

Interesting enough, I was very nice to humanure.  I actually listened to his side or point of view very closely.   I hated that he tried to often derail topics.   I bet out of all of it, I have had way more exposure to wild wolves than he has but that really doesn't matter.  My opinion stands.  I HATE THEM, an din general, I love anything to do with the natural world.     Some people hate chocolate.   I hate wolves.

[20 Minutes]

i agree, start realeasing wolves in the areas where seattlites hang out, like the parks by lake washington, whats it called green lake, then the wolf lovers can go see them all the time. you guys wanted them then you guys provide the area for them. sportsman do more for are wildlife so we will continually be able to do what we love, sportsman didnt ask for wolves and its kind B.S. that this kinda stuff isnt brought to a vote.... i would even think that your typical bunny lovin, tree huggin, butterfly catchin types have enough common sense to where they wouldnt have even passed somethin like this, especially when there is a very good chance of young kids especially being targeted by wolves, WHICH WILL HAPPEN MIND YOU, but also the toll that they are and will take on are deer and elk heards and the tons of money that will be getting payed out every year to farmers who lives stock pay the ultimate price....

How does releasing wolves around Seattle make any sense?
All you bitter eastsider's make me laugh. Natuarally if you are going to reintroduce an animal, you are going to relocate/release them in areas where there is plenty of prey. The population numbers don't lie. You guys talk as if the entire westside came together to create a ploy to screw the eastsider's. LMFAO

If they want to relocate them out in the Olympic Mountains, St. Helens, or around Southwestern Washington, then that makes sense; if the game can withstand wolves. IMO- NO game population can withstand wolves without being managed. Wolves will just wipe out everything and move on to the next GMU and do the same thing. They will be heavily populated on the westside at some point if they are not managed.

[jackmaster]

UMMMMMM yeah i live on the westside, well the wolves being introduced to seattle would take care of the feral cat problem perhaps, and yes ya said it youself about wolves wiping out everything, the problem you dont seem to understand is that wolves WONT be managed properly and by the time they get to 15 breeding pairs it will be TO DAMN LATE 

[headshot5]

How does releasing wolves around Seattle make any sense?

Because, the East siders want the West siders specifically King, and Pierce County, to be exposed to the cute and cuddley wolves.  Historically, King and Pierce voters have the votes for legislation.  However they do consider/care about the consequences to the rest of the state.

It is a perspective thing.  If the folks living in King and Pierce get exposure to wolves, maybe they will understand where the East Side folks are coming from. 

People on the Eastside are being forced to live with wolves whether they want to or not.  So, the Eastside folks want to spread that joy with those living in Seattle.  Seems pretty straight forward to me.   

[wolfbait]

UMMMMMM yeah i live on the westside, well the wolves being introduced to seattle would take care of the feral cat problem perhaps, and yes ya said it youself about wolves wiping out everything, the problem you dont seem to understand is that wolves WONT be managed properly and by the time they get to 15 breeding pairs it will be TO DAMN LATE 

It's already too late, it was too late in 2008 when WDFW came out with the first wolf pack in 70 year lie. As far as the westside, you folks have plenty of wolf packs also. Do you need WDFW's first hand confirmation before your believe people with knowledge of this.

The wolf introduction as many of you know was never about the wolves, so try to think ahead of the game a little ways.

[turkeyfeather]

How does releasing wolves around Seattle make any sense?

Because, the East siders want the West siders specifically King, and Pierce County, to be exposed to the cute and cuddley wolves.  Historically, King and Pierce voters have the votes for legislation.  However they do consider/care about the consequences to the rest of the state.

It is a perspective thing.  If the folks living in King and Pierce get exposure to wolves, maybe they will understand where the East Side folks are coming from. 

People on the Eastside are being forced to live with wolves whether they want to or not.  So, the Eastside folks want to spread that joy with those living in Seattle.  Seems pretty straight forward to me.   

DING, DING, DING. We have a winner.

[acnewman55]

Posting photos of dogs killed by wolves is exactly the sort of argument I expected from this lot.    It's an emotionally driven argument.

Those dogs got killed/eaten because a wolf's instincts are to kill and eat things.  They don't make moral decisions about the things they kill and eat.  They make rational decisions based on how much energy they'll burn to kill the animal vs. how much safety/food/territory they'll get out of the kill.  Cost vs. Benefit.  Not Right vs. Wrong.

To judge an animal as you might judge a human is ridiculous.  In this country you can plead insanity to a crime- which basically you means you weren't capable of making a decision on the morality of your actions.  In this country we understand that some folks who commit crimes just can't help themselves. This is true even for those guilty of heinous crimes like murder.  Those folks are treated differently than those capable of moral judgement.  Sure, they're still removed from society for the protection of the population.

That should go for wolves as well.  You should want to relocate them, manage their populations, etc.  If that's not getting done, whose fault is that?  Certainly not the wolf's fault.  That fault lies with WDFW, taxpayers, voters, politicians.  Distaste for some of these decision makers is warranted, and logical.

Hating a wolf for being a wolf though?  Well that's just unintelligent