No baiting bears law unconstitutional?

[deaner]

So, a deer hunter plants an apple tree and dumps a bunch of apples under it and claims they fell off the tree and are natural.

Or they have a current food plot with clover and sugar beets.  The hunter stops tending to the plots since baiting is illegal.  Is that still baiting since it was put there years prior to attract deer or is it considered part of the natural environment?

What about hunting in an alfalfa field?

Seems hard to prosecute effectively.

trees and food plots are not baiting.  hell you can plant a ton of apple trees and shoot bears that come into them, thats fine, but if you kick the apples from the ground ten feet over to be in line with a treestand, now youre baiting.  you can plant alfalfa to hunt deer over even if they make baiting deer illegal, but if you bail it and move the bail at all, baiting.

[DBHAWTHORNE]

Well, because the voters of this state didn't vote to make baiting deer illegal. But I'm sure they would if given the chance.

i have word from a reputable source that banning baiting for deer / elk is in the works and should come into place in next couple years.  seems that part of the reason is that there are outfitters who will literally dump truckloads of apples to bait deer into their leases, and the animals move off public land nearby the bait site and just hang out on the lease land.

I hunt near private lands that are outfitted and I find plenty of big bucks living on the public lands surrounding it.

[Special T]

Typical double standard. One subject rule only applies if it benifits power hungry jackwagons on and off the public dole. 

[deaner]

Well, because the voters of this state didn't vote to make baiting deer illegal. But I'm sure they would if given the chance.

i have word from a reputable source that banning baiting for deer / elk is in the works and should come into place in next couple years.  seems that part of the reason is that there are outfitters who will literally dump truckloads of apples to bait deer into their leases, and the animals move off public land nearby the bait site and just hang out on the lease land.

I hunt near private lands that are outfitted and I find plenty of big bucks living on the public lands surrounding it.

    i dont doubt that at all.  but thats one of the "reasons" ive heard, is that there are complaints about that.  not saying its my argument or point of view.

[deaner]

dbhawthorne pms are down, anywhere i can have a short chat with you regarding handguns without jacking this thread?

[DBHAWTHORNE]

dbhawthorne pms are down, anywhere i can have a short chat with you regarding handguns without jacking this thread?

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[deaner]

thanks dude, email sent

[dreamunelk]

Well, because the voters of this state didn't vote to make baiting deer illegal. But I'm sure they would if given the chance.

i have word from a reputable source that banning baiting for deer / elk is in the works and should come into place in next couple years.  seems that part of the reason is that there are outfitters who will literally dump truckloads of apples to bait deer into their leases, and the animals move off public land nearby the bait site and just hang out on the lease land.

While I don't have an issue with a guy dumping a bucket of apples on the ground or hunting around apple tree I do have a problem with truck loads of apples.  This is bad for both deer and elk.  Many of the animals that are baited by these large amounts are likely dying of in the brush somewhere.  Below is a good link to problems that could be caused by the method some are using in Washington. 

http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,4570,7-153-10370_12150_12220-26508--,00.html

[huntnnw]

oh geez...not again..no they dont..maybe if someone dumped them when they were in a starvation mode

[DBHAWTHORNE]

I heard that all the deer in Iowa were dying because of all the spilled corn. That's why no big bucks are left in that state.

[oldschooltrucks]

Iowa had great bucks.  Missouri, Kansas, and Illinois have good size bucks.  There's no baiting in Missouri but we could use deer scents

[BULLBLASTER]

oh geez...not again..no they dont..maybe if someone dumped them when they were in a starvation mode

You know as well as I do that every deer within 50 miles will live at any bait pile 24/7 and gorge on apples and corn until they die... that's why when hunting with bait you.don't even need to use a gun or bow... just pick out your favorite dead deer from around the bait since they are all dead from the bait!    

[h20hunter]

I have to disagree Bullblaster....I've hunted the same area for a number of years that has public and private land very close together. I know of an outfitter that has used apples and have never heard of any die off. Could it be where they are being over fed during the winter months when they are naturally running a little more lean and then apples or other feed are suddenly introduced which causes the problems you mention? Your statement about every deer within 50 miles is a pretty bleak outlook.

[bobcat]

Apparently you missed the sarcasm.   

[h20hunter]

I did.....I thought there could be something to it...maybe the apples were introduced in the middle of winter or something....wasn't trying to call anyone out...just thought I was missing something (other than the sarcasm). Personlly I very much enjoy eating apple fed deer....delicious!