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Do you support a tax structure that encourages open public access for outdoor recreation on timber lands?

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Author Topic: Citizen's Initiative for timber tax rate change.  (Read 35903 times)

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Re: Citizen's Initiative for timber tax rate change.
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2013, 02:15:07 PM »
I'm against this.

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Re: Citizen's Initiative for timber tax rate change.
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2013, 01:01:17 PM »
Found this on the Skagit county web site.
RCW Chapter 84.34 provides special consideration to property owners wishing to have land assessed for taxation purposes on the basis of its current use rather than its fair market value. The Open Space Act provides for current use appraisal of farm and agricultural land, timberland and open space land. Applications for classification are made to the Assessor for farm and agricultural land and to the county legislative authority for open space and timberland. Once land is classified, taxes are based on the current-use value rather than highest and best use. The Assessor must maintain the current use value for as long as the property remains classified. At the same time, a record of the fair market value of the property is kept. The difference between the current-use value and the fair market value becomes the basis for computing the amount of additional taxes, penalties and interest that may become payable upon a change of use or removal from classification.

http://dor.wa.gov/docs/pubs/prop_tax/openspace.pdf

Open space land is defined
as any of the following:
2. Any land area in which the
preservation in its present use
would:
a. Conserve and enhance natural
or scenic resources.
b. Protect streams or water supply.
c. Promote conservation of
soils, wetlands, beaches or
tidal marshes. (As a condition
of granting open space
classification, the legislative
body may not require public
access on land classified for
the purpose of promoting
conservation of wetlands.)
d. Enhance the value to the public
of neighbouring parks, forests,
wildlife preserves, nature
reservations or sanctuaries
or other open space.
e. Enhance recreation
opportunities.
f. Preserve historic sites.
Timber land is defined
as the following:
Any parcel of land five or more acres
or multiple parcels of land that are
contiguous and total five or more
acres which is or are devoted primarily
to the growth and harvest of timber
for commercial purposes. Timber land
means the land only and does not
include a residential homesite. The
term includes land used for incidental
uses that are compatible with the
growing and harvesting of timber but
no more than 10 percent of the land
may be used for such incidental uses.
It also includes the land which
appurtenances necessary for the
production, preparation, or sale
of the timber products exist in
conjunction with land producing
these products.
How does a public benefit
rating system work?
If the county legislative authority has
established a public benefit rating
system (PBRS) for the open space
classification, the criteria contained
within the rating system govern the
eligibility of the lands described in
each application filed for that
classification and the current use
valuation of that land.
When a county creates or amends
a PBRS, all classified open space land
will be rated under the new system.
A parcel that no longer qualifies for
classification will not be removed
from classification, but will be rated
according to the PBRS. Within 30 days
after receiving notification of the new
value established by the PBRS, the
owner may request removal of
classification of the parcel without
imposition of additional tax, interest,
and penalty
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Re: Citizen's Initiative for timber tax rate change.
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2013, 01:02:51 PM »
Lonview Fiber just sold all its holdings to WYCO in the skagit valley area.  :twocents:
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Re: Citizen's Initiative for timber tax rate change.
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2013, 01:15:11 PM »
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I hope they do, I'll get people to sign it!! Timber land giants have been walking on us for years!!
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How have they been walking on us?

Haha, yeah don't you mean we have been walking (walk-in) on them for years...  :dunno:

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Re: Citizen's Initiative for timber tax rate change.
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2013, 08:01:54 PM »
Well, I can't find any more information on this, so it looks like if we want this to go forward it will be up to us. I'll be talking to an attorney to get  an educated direction on writing a citizens initiative.

Anyone on the board wanting to help who is a lawyer?
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Re: Citizen's Initiative for timber tax rate change.
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2013, 08:23:32 PM »
Well, I can't find any more information on this, so it looks like if we want this to go forward it will be up to us. I'll be talking to an attorney to get  an educated direction on writing a citizens initiative.

Anyone on the board wanting to help who is a lawyer?

Contact Tim Eyman  :tup: 

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Re: Citizen's Initiative for timber tax rate change.
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2013, 03:52:03 PM »
Correction.
Maintaining the current tax rate for timber lands open to public access.
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Re: Citizen's Initiative for timber tax rate change.
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2013, 07:56:35 PM »
Hell, let's go to all the western states and raise there taxes, for the guys that won't let ya on their place or have leased it too outfitters!!! I'm sure they get some agriculture tax break.  I can't believe the way some people think on here... Times are changing boys, I've been told this for years and its here, and its not going away.

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Re: Citizen's Initiative for timber tax rate change.
« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2013, 08:18:04 PM »
Correction.
Maintaining the current tax rate for timber lands open to public access.

What's next, your going to want my taxes to go up if I don't let you hunt on my property it because it's in agriculture? There are many different property tax rates for properties with different uses, but you single out the land owners you want something from  :dunno: I wish they would leave it all open, but I am 100% against trying to go  through the back door and try to get their taxes raised because they are exercising their property rights.

This "hey they have something we want so lets tax them more if they won't give it to us" line of thinking is just plain un-American. >:(

Well, I guess that depends.

Did you negotiate your existing tax rate in part by promising to the citizens of Washington State open access for legal recreational activities but now decided to sell that privilege to the highest bidder?

Bring the questions on. If this is going to happen, we need to get the issue bucked out here before going to the polls. If there is no support here, then it's a dead horse and we just lost our public access.
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Re: Citizen's Initiative for timber tax rate change.
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2013, 08:22:55 PM »
This has been going on for years and now it's a big deal? Kapowsin , white river, Agnew , physt to name a few....

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Re: Citizen's Initiative for timber tax rate change.
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2013, 08:44:35 PM »
Correction.
Maintaining the current tax rate for timber lands open to public access.

Our State lands aren't even open to public access without a fee.  I think that is where I would be a little more upset about.
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Re: Citizen's Initiative for timber tax rate change.
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2013, 08:51:58 PM »
Ok, lets put this thing to a poll.  8)
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Re: Citizen's Initiative for timber tax rate change.
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2013, 09:37:38 PM »
Correction.
Maintaining the current tax rate for timber lands open to public access.

Our State lands aren't even open to public access without a fee.  I think that is where I would be a little more upset about.

Then that's a worthy fight too.

What should we do about it?

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Re: Citizen's Initiative for timber tax rate change.
« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2013, 06:51:29 AM »
Correction.
Maintaining the current tax rate for timber lands open to public access.

What's next, your going to want my taxes to go up if I don't let you hunt on my property it because it's in agriculture? There are many different property tax rates for properties with different uses, but you single out the land owners you want something from  :dunno: I wish they would leave it all open, but I am 100% against trying to go  through the back door and try to get their taxes raised because they are exercising their property rights.

This "hey they have something we want so lets tax them more if they won't give it to us" line of thinking is just plain un-American. >:(

Hell, let's go to all the western states and raise there taxes, for the guys that won't let ya on their place or have leased it too outfitters!!! I'm sure they get some agriculture tax break.  I can't believe the way some people think on here... Times are changing boys, I've been told this for years and its here, and its not going away.


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Re: Citizen's Initiative for timber tax rate change.
« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2013, 07:18:26 AM »
I'm kinda split on this.. I hate how some people ruin it for everyone by dumping and understand the need of private land owners to regulate access via truck, not to mention timber theft. What i DO NOT LIKE is closing ALL access to even foot, mountain bike traffic. They reason that the fee is to pay for security, i get that...  That fee in not necessary for non motorized access.

Here is another problem... Much of our state land IS behind a gate there is a lot of checkerboard property of mixed DNR and private. we are told we are locked out BECAUSE of the concerns of the private timber owners, yet we loose access to what is ours. If you have hunted the south, you know how common land leases are for hunting/recreation. I fear that is where we are headed.

Has WYCO "blocked up" most of its holdings? Or are there still significant checkerboards within their holdings?
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