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Will federal delisting impact state’s wolves?
« on: June 27, 2013, 04:51:54 PM »
Will federal delisting impact state’s wolves?
Jun 25, 2013 • 10:27 pm WDFW says no, but conservationists concerned
An image from a video taken in May of a female wolf in the Lookout Pack territory shows  teats that appear to be filled with milk, indicating she has given birth. Photo courtesy of WDFW





BY ANN McCREARY

Removing gray wolves from federal endangered species protection – as proposed earlier this month by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service – would have little impact on the way they are managed in Washington state, according to Donny Martorello, carnivore manager for the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW).

But conservation advocates who have promoted recovery of gray wolves in Washington say removing federal protection could jeopardize the “fragile” population of wolves in the Cascade Mountains – including the Methow Valley’s Lookout Pack.

It appears the Lookout Pack may be making a comeback after near extermination by poachers. Wildlife officials have been monitoring two remaining wolves in the Lookout Pack territory, and Martorello said last week that it appears they produced pups this spring.

“We believe there are pups in the Lookout Pack,” Martorello said. “We have photographs of the female before she gave birth and after.” A video captured by a trail camera indicates that the female is lactating, he said.

A trapper for WDFW was in the Lookout Pack territory earlier this month attempting to capture and collar the wolves, but was not successful, Martorello said. He said the trapper did not attempt to locate a den “because he didn’t want to disturb the animals.”

Martorello said state biologists believe that pups may also have been born this spring in the Teanaway, Huckleberry, Diamond and Smackout packs.

The 2008 discovery of the Lookout Pack, the first gray wolf pack identified in Washington since the 1930s, launched the creation of the state’s wolf management plan. The plan calls for recovery of gray wolves throughout the state before they can be removed from state protection as an endangered species.

Martorello said an annual survey of wolves estimated there were 27 wolves, five wolf packs and three breeding pairs at the end of 2011. Last year’s survey indicated there were 51 wolves in nine packs with a total of five successful breeding pairs.

“The population nearly doubled from 2011 to 2012,” Martorello said. “Taking into account pack sizes, we believe the population is around 100 individuals. Now it’s June and there are pups on the ground.”



State protection

Wolves in Washington would remain under state protection even if federal officials take them off the endangered species list. The announcement by the federal Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) opens a 90-day comment period on the proposal, which would turn management of gray wolves over to the states.

In Washington, wolves in the eastern third of the state were taken off the endangered species list in 2007. However, wolves in the western two-thirds of Washington (including the Methow Valley) – with the Okanogan River and Highway 97 as the eastern boundary – remained under federal protection as endangered.

Conservation Northwest, a Bellingham-based organization that has monitored wolves in the North Cascades and advocated for their recovery, is urging federal wildlife officials to maintain protection for wolves in the North Cascades and Pacific Coast areas, arguing they are a “distinct population segment” of wolves that differ significantly from wolves in other areas of the country and therefore qualify for continued protection under the Endangered Species Act.

“If Fish and Wildlife Service delists wolves in the lower 48 states, a distinct population segment should be designated and protected in the Pacific Northwest,” Dave Werntz, science and conservation director for Conservation Northwest, said in a letter sent to FWS.

In announcing its proposal to delist wolves, FWS singled out Mexican wolves in southern Arizona and New Mexico as a population that should retain endangered species designation.

Wolves in the Pacific Northwest should likewise retain protection, argues Conservation Northwest, because they have characteristics that make them different from the wolves in the Rocky Mountain area to the east.

DNA obtained from Lookout Pack wolves has shown they are descendents of wolves living in coastal British Columbia, who lived separately from inland wolves for many generations, Conservation Northwest said in a press release.

“Over time, the coastal wolves adapted to local climatic and habitat conditions, creating a unique genetic profile. … Cascade wolves are different than those in the Rockies in other ways too – they are smaller in size; more reddish brown in color; and eat more salmon when available,” Conservation Northwest’s release said.

Federal officials are ignoring the logic they used in 2007 when they lifted protection for eastern Washington wolves, which are considered part of the Rocky Mountain distinct population segment, but retained protection for wolves in the western part of the state, said Jasmine Minbashian, communications director of Conservation Northwest.

“Either Cascades wolves are part of the Rockies population or they’re not,” Minbashian said. “It’s flip-flopping the argument. In a sense they’re claiming that because we have wolves in the northern Rockies, that’s good enough.”

Additionally, Minbashian said, it would make more sense to downgrade classification of endangered wolves to a “threatened” or “sensitive” species that would still retain some protections, rather than remove all protections and consider the species entirely recovered.



Fanning the flames

Wolves have been controversial in Washington and nearby Rocky Mountain states, pitting ranchers and hunters against conservationists who want to see wolves become re-established in their former habitats. Since federal protections were removed for wolves in Idaho, Wyoming and Montana, those states now permit wolves to be hunted.

The proposal to remove protection for wolves in the lower 48 states “fans the flames of controversy,” Minbashian said. “It almost encourages people to be more polarized.”

Martorello said because wolves will still remain endangered throughout Washington under state law, they will remain protected until the population meets the numbers required by the state wolf management plan. That plan calls for 15-18 successful breeding pairs, distributed throughout the state, before protection is lifted.

Removing federal protection will give the state the power to kill wolves that attack livestock or pets, as wildlife officials did last year with the Wedge Pack in Stevens County. Because the pack was in the eastern part of the state where wolves are not federally protected, state wildlife officials were able to shoot six of the Wedge Pack wolves after repeated attacks on cattle.

“It does allow that tool to be used and allows for more consistent management. As wolves expand westward, and they are rapidly … if you have that scenario we want the ability to deal with it,” Martorello said. “This year we’ve had no depredations other than the attack on the dog in Okanogan County.” He was referring to an incident in March in which a wolf injured a dog at a home near Carlton.

Penalties for killing an endangered species are considerably less under state law than federal law. Federal law provides for fines up to $100,000 and up to a year in prison for taking an endangered animal. State law provides for up to $5,000 in fines and and/or a year in jail.

Martorello said Washington state is seeing a “wave of recovery by viable (wolf) populations starting in the eastern part and moving westward.”

Three gray wolf packs have been confirmed in the North Cascades area – the Lookout Pack, the Teanaway Pack and the Wenatchee Pack.

USFW will accept comments from the public until Sept. 11 on the proposal to remove gray wolves from the endangered species list. Comments can be submitted online at www.regulations.gov and entering FWS-HQ-ES-2013-0073 in the search box. Comments may be mailed to Public Comments Processing, Att: FWS-HQ-ES-2013-0073; Division of Policy and Directives Management; U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service; 4401 Fairfax Drive, MS 2042-PDM; Arlington, VA 22203.

http://methowvalleynews.com/2013/06/25/will-federal-delisting-impact-states-wolves/

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Re: Will federal delisting impact state’s wolves?
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2013, 04:58:57 PM »
Unfortuanlty I'm not surprised. The State COULD have delisted the NE corner of the state LONG ago when ID allowed a hunting season. The feds delisted the rocky mountain region, not a state by state region. The WDFW has proven that they WANT wolves around and have more interest in pandering to non hunting "conservation" groups than hunters.   

At least the penalties for those who defend thier property and but don't jump through all of the states BS rules will have a much lower Penalty
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Re: Will federal delisting impact state’s wolves?
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2013, 09:00:27 PM »
Same BS,  just a different year!


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DNA obtained from Lookout Pack wolves has shown they are descendents of wolves living in coastal British Columbia, who lived separately from inland wolves for many generations, Conservation Northwest said in a press release.


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July 25, 2008
Lookout Pack

DNA tests showed that the wolves originated from a population in the northern British Columbia and Alberta provinces of Canada.

"This is a natural colonization," said Fitkin. "The wolves are naturally immigrating."   

"I've been waiting for this for 18 years," said Fitkin, who said he was very excited by the findings of the investigation. Fitkin has been involved in wolf research in the North Cascades since 1991.

Though Washington state has not been home to a wolf pack since the 1930s, state wildlife officials have been expecting them to cross the border from Canada and disperse into the state from recovered populations in Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming. http://myyellowstonewolves.typepad.com/myw/2008/07/gray-wolves-are.html 
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State wildlife agents already have identified six packs of wolves in Washington's Cascades, and more are expected to migrate from Canada to the state's protected forests. http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19920417&slug=1486887

2011 Methow Valley wolf

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Re: Will federal delisting impact state’s wolves?
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2013, 07:27:51 AM »
They sure have recycled their press releases huh? If you tell a bunch of BS often and long enough then people will assume its fact.
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Re: Will federal delisting impact state’s wolves?
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2013, 09:53:12 AM »

1992

State wildlife agents already have identified six packs of wolves in Washington's Cascades, and more are expected to migrate from Canada to the state's protected forests. http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19920417&slug=1486887


Six packs in 1992? Wait, I thought wolves were secretly introduced by way of black helicopters and I thought wolves being back in the state was supposed to be an ecological apocalypse. After 21 years there must not be a deer or elk or cow left in the state.    :tinfoil:

Talk about contradictory....

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Re: Will federal delisting impact state’s wolves?
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2013, 10:09:41 AM »
The contradiction is in the fact that wolves have been absent from this state for 70 years, and that is what the WDFW has been selling. I be live that it was in this same time period that the WDFW made coyote hunting illegal in the Psyaden because of the presence of wolves.

You may not believe in the reintroduction of wolves into this state, however it IS a fact that they were reintroduced into ID and YNP from way up north in  the Canadian makensy valley.  There are LOTS of statements made by the WDFW that don't line up. Many seem to think that because we question the wdfw we wear tinfoil hats. MANY good honest questions have been asked of the WDFW and we get fed  cock and bull answers.  This either means the WDFW is full if Inept people that can't do their job, OR they are a bunch of liars. In either case its not good for hunters OR citizens of washington.
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Re: Will federal delisting impact state’s wolves?
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2013, 10:30:33 AM »
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Re: Will federal delisting impact state’s wolves?
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2013, 10:37:20 AM »
The contradiction is in the fact that wolves have been absent from this state for 70 years, and that is what the WDFW has been selling. I be live that it was in this same time period that the WDFW made coyote hunting illegal in the Psyaden because of the presence of wolves.

You may not believe in the reintroduction of wolves into this state, however it IS a fact that they were reintroduced into ID and YNP from way up north in  the Canadian makensy valley.  There are LOTS of statements made by the WDFW that don't line up. Many seem to think that because we question the wdfw we wear tinfoil hats. MANY good honest questions have been asked of the WDFW and we get fed  cock and bull answers.  This either means the WDFW is full if Inept people that can't do their job, OR they are a bunch of liars. In either case its not good for hunters OR citizens of washington.

I honestly don't care where they came from. They're here, not likely to go away, and I just wish the state would let everyone protect themselves and what's theirs from them when necessary.

I'll say this, it is interesting that the state said there were SIX packs back in '92 and today they recognize only 10-12 packs. That either means they're seriously low balling the number or they aren't quite as prolific as everyone makes them out to be. My gut feeling is the truth is somewhere in the middle.

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Re: Will federal delisting impact state’s wolves?
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2013, 10:45:30 AM »
STAY on em Wolfbait!!

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“Over time, the coastal wolves adapted to local climatic and habitat conditions, creating a unique genetic profile. … Cascade wolves are different than those in the Rockies in other ways too – they are smaller in size; more reddish brown in color; and eat more salmon when available,” Conservation Northwest’s release said."
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Re: Will federal delisting impact state’s wolves?
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2013, 10:50:08 AM »
Did they ever publish a map of the 1992 packs? It would be interesting to stomp around some of those pack areas?

Did they define a pack the way they do today?
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Re: Will federal delisting impact state’s wolves?
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2013, 10:55:09 AM »
Did they ever publish a map of the 1992 packs? It would be interesting to stomp around some of those pack areas?

Did they define a pack the way they do today?

In Washington, Feds Opt For Wolf Introduction Over Recovery  http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/06/08/in-washington-feds-opt-for-wolf-introduction-over-recovery/
 

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Re: Will federal delisting impact state’s wolves?
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2013, 11:25:25 AM »
Did they ever publish a map of the 1992 packs? It would be interesting to stomp around some of those pack areas?

Did they define a pack the way they do today?

In Washington, Feds Opt For Wolf Introduction Over Recovery  http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/06/08/in-washington-feds-opt-for-wolf-introduction-over-recovery/

This still lends credence to my point. If they had to introduce wolves to WA when packs were already known to exist that likely means they are not very prolific and that runs totally counter to what is being sold about them these days.

WDFW isn't going to admit to much of anything I suspect because they know a lot of folks don't want wolves around. So they'll wait until the numbers are so high that it becomes nearly impossible to eliminate them. It's probably sort of like how WSU has sent out people to work with farmers and ranchers to rebuild habitat etc in the past. Typically all communication is done on the sly and university employees work "under cover" because the farmers/ranchers that work with them don't want to be black balled by their neighbors.

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Re: Will federal delisting impact state’s wolves?
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2013, 11:33:05 AM »
The release debate is only relevant when someone files a lawsuit  with the state.

The question that NONE of you are asking is WHY would WA want to protect wolves when the feds say the ESA goal has been fufilled? does it make any sence? NO!  :bash:
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Re: Will federal delisting impact state’s wolves?
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2013, 01:25:11 PM »
Did they ever publish a map of the 1992 packs? It would be interesting to stomp around some of those pack areas?

Did they define a pack the way they do today?

In Washington, Feds Opt For Wolf Introduction Over Recovery  http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/06/08/in-washington-feds-opt-for-wolf-introduction-over-recovery/

This still lends credence to my point. If they had to introduce wolves to WA when packs were already known to exist that likely means they are not very prolific and that runs totally counter to what is being sold about them these days.

WDFW isn't going to admit to much of anything I suspect because they know a lot of folks don't want wolves around. So they'll wait until the numbers are so high that it becomes nearly impossible to eliminate them. It's probably sort of like how WSU has sent out people to work with farmers and ranchers to rebuild habitat etc in the past. Typically all communication is done on the sly and university employees work "under cover" because the farmers/ranchers that work with them don't want to be black balled by their neighbors.

Was WDFW Lying about their wolves of the 1980's and 90's? Surely knowing what we know today if we would have had six wolf packs in 1992 we wouldn't have any game herds left.  Look at the elk herds in the Yellowstone and Idaho as an example.

In the 1980's and 90's WDFW was partnered up with Defenders of Wildlife and Conservation NW, known by a different name back then. The money for their wolf push went to the Idaho Yellowstone wolf introduction and somehow the wolves of the 80's and 90's disappeared also. Now all of a sudden wolves migrate to WA at a rapid rate?

We are seeing WDFW perform Genocide on WA's wildlife using wolves and other predators!

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Re: Will federal delisting impact state’s wolves?
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2013, 02:07:13 PM »
Does the state not realize that it takes at least a hundred generations to begin showing signs of a new species? I learned that in freshman biology this year and they are hired biologists  :bash: they would not adapt that fast in only 20 years  :sry:

 


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