Brittany breeders?

[westside103147]

Looking to add another Brittany to the family. Anybody know of a good breeder?



Thanks,

Westside

[jetjockey]

Might want to check here.  There isnt a lot of top quality Brits in the PNW.

http://www.jimjohnkennels.com/forsale.html

[wildweeds]

Acme hunt club has litters of brits now and then,His are linebred from the most famous brittiany in Nstra field trials,Nolan's Last Bullet(he had a son of bullet and a daughter of Beeline wink). Jim house in oregon  has been successful with his brittianes as well as Clem and Marilynne Little of Enumclaw,so there are some good brits in the northwest.

[westside103147]

Thanks for the info! I'll look into them.

[jetjockey]

IMO NLB is one of the most overrated stud dogs there is.  Not that he didn't produce good dogs, but there is nothing special about them.  They certainly have not set the trial world on fire, and to be honest, you see very little Buddy blood in anything but NSTRA.   Don't get me wrong, they can be nice dogs, but typically, they are nothing special.  I know a person who bred directly to him several times with several females.  Several of those pups were then sent to Pros as trial prospects, and they all washed out.  On the other hand, I know of a nice AA dog that was bred to one of the same females, and that litter produced 3 FC's and several others that would have been FC's if given the chance. 

If I were looking for a Brit in the PNW, and wanted to see the dog before I purchased it, Id call Dave Walker in ID.  Unfortunately, in the PNW, there just isn't a lot of top quality Brits like there is in other parts of the country. 

[Stilly bay]

Define nothing special.

[Don Fischer]

You should check with the Oregon Brittany Club. Look for Jim House and Joe Waitman.

[jetjockey]

Define nothing special.

I mean that if you want to find a stud dog to breed to in order to produce a high end brittany, he wouldn't be anywhere near the top on the list of brittany stud dogs.   His prodegee have done very little in the AKC brittany world against other Brittany's.  While he may be the most popular NSTRA brittany there is, there are tons of other dogs who have produced much, much better results.  That's the reason he will never make the Brit Field Trial HOF even though there has been a huge push to get him in.  He was a great dog for what he was, but there are much better producers out there.

[jetjockey]

You should check with the Oregon Brittany Club. Look for Jim House and Joe Waitman.

That would be a great place to look as well.  Problem is they don't have many litters.

[Stilly bay]

Define nothing special.

I mean that if you want to find a stud dog to breed to in order to produce a high end brittany, he wouldn't be anywhere near the top on the list of brittany stud dogs.   His prodegee have done very little in the AKC brittany world against other Brittany's.  While he may be the most popular NSTRA brittany there is, there are tons of other dogs who have produced much, much better results.  That's the reason he will never make the Brit Field Trial HOF even though there has been a huge push to get him in.  He was a great dog for what he was, but there are much better producers out there.

Your talking about a very narrow demographic of people that would want more than a Nolan pup has to offer. Nolans last bullet and NSTRA lines are nothing to sniff at, and Neither is the game of NSTRA. Sure it doesn't have all the pomp of trials like Ames but its not the same animal is it? I would wager NSTRA has more street value than your big trials just by the fact that that is how most hunters today hunt. Most areas don't have enough land for a big running dog you have to follow on a horse and the WILD bobwhite quail is damn near extinct.

There is nothing wrong with the type of dogs you prefer Jetjockey - but they sure as hell aren't for everybody, That is not a compliment or an insult. It is what it is.
Personally I see dogs like yours and big horseback trials and they do nothing for me, just as I am sure my plodding 200 yards and under Gordon setter wouldn't float your boat either.

[jetjockey]

I'd love your 200 yard or less Gordon.  That's about what my brittany does when I foot hunt her.  Being run Off a horse is a totally different story...   I've foot hunted over several direct sons/daughters of NLB.  Hell, I often hunt our dogs side by side.  I've done it for quail in GA and pheasant and sharptail in SD.  I have a pretty good grasp on what those dogs are and aren't.   That's why I say they are nothing special.  Good dogs, yes, but there are much better Brits out there.  My buddy is about to breed his direct daughter out of NLB to a nice AA Brit.  That would be one litter Id be interested in.  I'll let you know how it goes, because its the same Sire Im going to breed my female to.  We will get to directly compare the breeding a side by side..  I e already seen what was produced between NLB and a nice AA Brit using the same female, this will be another nice comparison using a NLB daughter compared to an AA HB dog.

[Stilly bay]

Personally I see dogs like yours and big horseback trials and they do nothing for me, just as I am sure my plodding 200 yards and under Gordon setter wouldn't float your boat either.

i didn't mean for that to come off as snotty as it did.

[jetjockey]

I didn't take it as snotty at all.   IMO there is a big misconception about trial dogs. If given the chance, even the biggest running dogs learn the different games.  Even a lot of the biggest name AF National Champions get hunted nicely off foot.  It's all about learning the game..

[Don Fischer]

Another breeder you might check out of state. K9Brittany's. Arlette Hennesy. She's a very careful breeder and has put out some very nice dogs. Saw a couple run last year at Boyce Corrals and they did very very well. Couple more this spring out there with a guy from So Cal and he placed them both. Very nice dogs!

Arlette is one of the best breeder's I know, she fuss's over everything to deliver the best pup's she can. You can find her on gundogforum.

[AspenBud]

Sorry, for one moment I feel the need to hijack this a little.

More for Stilly and Jetjockey...

Just to clear the air...

For one, just because a dog comes from "NSTRA lines" doesn't mean it isn't capable of being, or producing, horseback dogs. Scott Townsend of Crosswind Kennels out in Michigan has produced some of the winningest shorthairs to ever grace the NSTRA and at least one dog from a litter sired by his now late champion, Crosswind Truckin Fritz, is currently running in horseback events.

Second, a lot of good foot hunting dogs come, at least in part, from horseback lines. Some of the better dogs in the coverdog trials (AF sanctioned events) of the midwest come from such lines and that venue is strictly about foot hunting. Out of control dogs that run so far out that it takes an hour to find them don't win those trials. Dogs that run under control and within a decent range do. Running at the range of a dog at Ames won't win you a coverdog event. Pointers and setters usually dominate that type of trial but a Brittany named Wambli took a few titles as well.

Third, take a look at a lot of NSTRA dogs and you'll find that at some point, horseback dogs are in their lineage. I am aware of at least one gentleman involved with the NSTRA in Oregon who acquired a Pointer from HiFive Kennels out in Michigan in the last year or so. The sire of the dog bought currently runs in Coverdog events AND AA horseback and has sired many nice foot hunting dogs. That sire was himself sired by Elhew Sinbad, a AA dog that has made a number of appearances at Ames. That's not the only instance of that type of lineage floating around in NSTRA breedings.

Correction: The gentleman involved in NSTRA in OR bred a dog of his to a pup sired by the coverdog Pointer I mentioned. He didn't buy a pup. My mistake.