Change to the Discover pass

[bobcat]

(2) The discover pass, the vehicle access pass, or the day-use
permit is not required:
(a) On private lands, state-owned aquatic lands other than water
access areas, or at agency offices, hatcheries, or other facilities where public business is conducted((.
(3) The discover pass, the vehicle access pass, or the day-use permit is not required for:
(a)));
(b) For persons who use, possess, or enter lands owned or managed by the agencies for nonrecreational purposes consistent with a written authorization from the agency, including but not limited to leases, contracts, and easements; ((or
(b))) (c) On department of fish and wildlife lands only, for persons possessing a current vehicle access pass pursuant to RCW 79A.80.040; or
(d) When operating on a road managed by the department of natural resources or the department of fish and wildlife, including a forest or land management road, that is not blocked by a gate.  

[xd2005]

(2) The discover pass, the vehicle access pass, or the day-use
permit is not required:
(a) On private lands, state-owned aquatic lands other than water
access areas, or at agency offices, hatcheries, or other facilities where public business is conducted((.
(3) The discover pass, the vehicle access pass, or the day-use permit is not required for:
(a)));
(b) For persons who use, possess, or enter lands owned or managed by the agencies for nonrecreational purposes consistent with a written authorization from the agency, including but not limited to leases, contracts, and easements; ((or
(b))) (c) On department of fish and wildlife lands only, for persons possessing a current vehicle access pass pursuant to RCW 79A.80.040; or
(d) When operating on a road managed by the department of natural resources or the department of fish and wildlife, including a forest or land management road, that is not blocked by a gate.  

Good catch. Looks like it used to be that way and has been clarified as not that way with the new bill. That correct? Looks like the RCW page is not yet updated with the new law?

[bobcat]

I don't know about the RCW page, but here is a link to the bill that was just recently passed:

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bill%20Reports/Senate/5897-S.E%20SBR%20APS%2013%20E2.pdf

And here is a summary of the bill:

Summary of Engrossed Substitute Bill: State Parks, DNR, and DFW may mutually agree to sell discounted Discover Passes or day-use permits under certain circumstances. The discounts apply for purposes of bulk sales to retailers, agency license and permit bundling, and partnership opportunities to expand the visibility of the passes and recreation on state lands. The agencies must prioritize opportunities for discounted sales that result in net revenue gain.
Provides an exemption from the Discover Pass requirement for a motor vehicle operating on a road managed by DNR or DFW, including a forest or land management road, that is not blocked by a gate.
Provides $5 million per fiscal year in litter tax revenue for the operations and maintenance of State Parks over the next two biennia, ending June 30, 2017.

[xd2005]

I don't know about the RCW page, but here is a link to the bill that was just recently passed:

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Bill%20Reports/Senate/5897-S.E%20SBR%20APS%2013%20E2.pdf

And here is a summary of the bill:

Summary of Engrossed Substitute Bill: State Parks, DNR, and DFW may mutually agree to sell discounted Discover Passes or day-use permits under certain circumstances. The discounts apply for purposes of bulk sales to retailers, agency license and permit bundling, and partnership opportunities to expand the visibility of the passes and recreation on state lands. The agencies must prioritize opportunities for discounted sales that result in net revenue gain.
Provides an exemption from the Discover Pass requirement for a motor vehicle operating on a road managed by DNR or DFW, including a forest or land management road, that is not blocked by a gate.
Provides $5 million per fiscal year in litter tax revenue for the operations and maintenance of State Parks over the next two biennia, ending June 30, 2017.

Thanks 

[fireweed]

Ok. You're driving down the county highway and you want to get to the NF trailhead but you have to drive across 14 miles of dirt road 7 of which lie on state/dnr land the other 7 fed land. Access to the fed land has been in existence since say 1905. It would have been a gross violation of your civil rights had the state assumed it could TAX you to have direct access across an easement to federal land. This is a very commonplace situation here in Wash and as far as I am aware no such violations occurred. However; if you deviated from the mainline and went off on roads that were not going to reach a destination on fed land then you have to have the DP.

The road had to have a "public use easement" or according to the law, you needed a DP.  This is one of my main beefs with the DP--where I live there is no easement through either Weyco and DNR to forest service land.  Consequently, we needed a DP to get to USFS land!  (and with Weyco charging we would have had to have their permit too.) Many forestry roads have easements of various types--some for only forestry operations, and some for "public use".  The DNR never bothered to identify all the easements and county roads that cross their land (which would be a big job and eat up Discover Pass funds).  This change was needed and was championed by a forester friend of mine who was on an executive development program called "ag-forestry".   All the logging contractors were having to get "contractor" passes from the DNR, and it was a real mess.  Having to have that hang tag while driving was WAY STUPID (even for this state).

[haulinbass]

I am not all up to date with this whole discover pass but why do we need to as outdoors men spend even more than what we already do on tags and licences. Now I know it is two desperate agencies but why all of a sudden do we need to give money to the department to access there land and then there are some areas where you can't hunt on. I think the discover pass should be for out of staters and granola eats. That's my 

[blackdog]

Look for a bill next year that upgrades your VAC, vehicle access pass to a discover pass for those consumers of more than $200.00 of DFW paper

[BOWHUNTER45]

Jeeeez...I parked on a lot of state land last year ...never had an issue ....Do not have one and never plan on having one ! I just refuse to buy one ! An activist I am ......

[bobcat]

Look for a bill next year that upgrades your VAC, vehicle access pass to a discover pass for those consumers of more than $200.00 of DFW paper

Now that would be fair.   

Thanks for the info.

[HookedOnQuack]

Ok. You're driving down the county highway and you want to get to the NF trailhead but you have to drive across 14 miles of dirt road 7 of which lie on state/dnr land the other 7 fed land. Access to the fed land has been in existence since say 1905. It would have been a gross violation of your civil rights had the state assumed it could TAX you to have direct access across an easement to federal land. This is a very commonplace situation here in Wash and as far as I am aware no such violations occurred. However; if you deviated from the mainline and went off on roads that were not going to reach a destination on fed land then you have to have the DP.

The road had to have a "public use easement" or according to the law, you needed a DP.  This is one of my main beefs with the DP--where I live there is no easement through either Weyco and DNR to forest service land.  Consequently, we needed a DP to get to USFS land!  (and with Weyco charging we would have had to have their permit too.) Many forestry roads have easements of various types--some for only forestry operations, and some for "public use".  The DNR never bothered to identify all the easements and county roads that cross their land (which would be a big job and eat up Discover Pass funds).  This change was needed and was championed by a forester friend of mine who was on an executive development program called "ag-forestry".   All the logging contractors were having to get "contractor" passes from the DNR, and it was a real mess.  Having to have that hang tag while driving was WAY STUPID (even for this state).

my brother did a road building job on Scott Turner in Eatonville and he had to get passes for their personal rigs and the dump trucks cause they had to cross over onto DNR land to use the gravel pit

[bobcat]

Ok. You're driving down the county highway and you want to get to the NF trailhead but you have to drive across 14 miles of dirt road 7 of which lie on state/dnr land the other 7 fed land. Access to the fed land has been in existence since say 1905. It would have been a gross violation of your civil rights had the state assumed it could TAX you to have direct access across an easement to federal land. This is a very commonplace situation here in Wash and as far as I am aware no such violations occurred. However; if you deviated from the mainline and went off on roads that were not going to reach a destination on fed land then you have to have the DP.

The road had to have a "public use easement" or according to the law, you needed a DP.  This is one of my main beefs with the DP--where I live there is no easement through either Weyco and DNR to forest service land.  Consequently, we needed a DP to get to USFS land!  (and with Weyco charging we would have had to have their permit too.) Many forestry roads have easements of various types--some for only forestry operations, and some for "public use".  The DNR never bothered to identify all the easements and county roads that cross their land (which would be a big job and eat up Discover Pass funds).  This change was needed and was championed by a forester friend of mine who was on an executive development program called "ag-forestry".   All the logging contractors were having to get "contractor" passes from the DNR, and it was a real mess.  Having to have that hang tag while driving was WAY STUPID (even for this state).

my brother did a road building job on Scott Turner in Eatonville and he had to get passes for their personal rigs and the dump trucks cause they had to cross over onto DNR land to use the gravel pit

They didn't have to purchase the passes though, correct? The Discover pass is for recreational use, not commercial. So I would assume the DNR would give them temporary passes for free.

[dingle]

I truly believe there would be no money issue's if our money that is in the general fund was used for what it's true purpose and intent.   How many times should we pay for the same thing's,  2, 3, 4   

[ctwiggs1]

$30 is a lot cheaper than going to court over it.