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Didn't you guys know: poachers only do it to feed their families. They're all poor. this is a really good illustration of what most poachers are like - thieves who care nothing about yours and my resources, or of the wildlife. Two ORVs in a truck? I hope they take it all. Poachers suck.
The sad part is even know they were caught doent matter poacher is a poacher banned from hunting is just a charge not gonna stop it.lock em up
This type of offense should be treated like a wildlife felony, no firearms or game privileges for life.
Sorry Ace, but I completely disagree. First on your bulleted points:1. The gamie takes whichever implement was used in the crime2. A killer is punished for killing. A poacher is punished for poaching. Making stiffer laws for poaching doesn't take away my rights because I'm not a law-breaking, poaching, resource stealer. A poacher is the only one who would suffer from stiffer fines. This is very unlike gun restrictions, which penalize everyone for the crimes of a few.3. By your reasoning then, we shouldn't have any game restrictions or laws because animals get hit by trucks. That argument is so ridiculous as to defy coherent response.Poachers are thieves. Game laws were made to assist the implementation of the North American Game Management Model, which uses hunters (not poachers or thieves) to manage wildlife and establishes that the game in the US belongs to everyone. Therefor, when someone poaches, they steal from you and me and take away our game and our opportunity to harvest game.You asked why we're in such a hurry to take someone's Constitutional rights away? Because poachers have no respect for the rule of law or for your possessions and mine. It's no different than someone stealing a car or jewelry. Do you think that a car thief shouldn't have their rights taken away? Why is it different with a poacher? Remember: these are not fellow hunters. These are not fellow patriots. These are thieves.
The poacher used his weapon in an illegal manner, therefore violating and terminating his "rights" of such possession. For the same reason a fellow convicted of murder doesn't get to own weapons, he blew his chance of being a responsible firearm bearing adult. People that poach animals out of season are on the same page as convicted murders in my book. Lock the scum bags up an throw away the key. Or put a bear rug on them and tell them to walk the foothills in August.
I think what you're trying to say is that you feel that if someone is poaching (knowingly), you are OK with it. "Hey let it slide, it's only an elk".
Quote from: ctwiggs1 on July 26, 2013, 11:29:07 AMI think what you're trying to say is that you feel that if someone is poaching (knowingly), you are OK with it. "Hey let it slide, it's only an elk".My post wasn't really about poaching it was about constitutional rights...I'll try to be more clear - I have a big problem with poaching. It's a serious crime. However, I don't consider it as serious a crime as violence against humans. I think there should be punishment for this crime and that the punishment should match the crime.I don't think that killing an animal out of season warrants the loss of a constitutional right.The mentioning of Obama serves to make the point that gun-control activists will grab any inch of ground they can, if we let them. If killing a man now warrants the loss of these rights (as it should) and tomorrow killing an elk warrants the loss of these rights then I worry what it'll be the next day?The trend is that we're willing to take these constitutional rights away from individuals committing less and less serious crimes. It sends a message that the right to bear arms is more and more conditional. Soon it looks like a privilege instead of a constitutional right - which is exactly how gun-control people see it now.Sorry for bringing up the constitution and interfering with your hunt-wa lynch mob everyone hopefully you didn't let all your torches go out!
It's not a lynch mob. You accused me of being a liberal Obama lover because I think poaching is a serious enough crime to be a felony for subsequent arrests.
Quote from: pianoman9701 on August 01, 2013, 10:44:37 AMIt's not a lynch mob. You accused me of being a liberal Obama lover because I think poaching is a serious enough crime to be a felony for subsequent arrests. You're right, the lynch-mob comment was out of line.I'm not accusing anyone of being a liberal or an Obama-lover. I was only making the point that Obama wants to erode gun rights any way he can and one of his methods is to make gun rights a privilege by lengthening the list of things that will lead to the loss of your second amendment rights.Hunters are a strong gun-rights community, but we can do a lot of damage to that cause when we don't guard our words.Let's talk more about dragging this guy behind a truck by his ankles, and less about taking away his guns.
Quote from: xXLojackXx on July 26, 2013, 11:46:55 AMThe poacher used his weapon in an illegal manner, therefore violating and terminating his "rights" of such possession. For the same reason a fellow convicted of murder doesn't get to own weapons, he blew his chance of being a responsible firearm bearing adult. People that poach animals out of season are on the same page as convicted murders in my book. Lock the scum bags up an throw away the key. Or put a bear rug on them and tell them to walk the foothills in August.There is somewhat of a significant difference in the example you referenced. Obviously, murder is a felony crime and the conviction automatically disqualifies someone from owning a firearm again unless reinstated. It does not have to be a crime involving a firearm. It could be a knife, a shovel, a Louisville Slugger, or a fist.Most poaching offenses are gross misdemeanors as I recall, and therefore don't subject you to automatic loss of Constitutional Rights. You can lose the firearm through the civil forfeiture process just like you can lose your vehicle for using it to transport drugs.Wildlife crimes are not in the same league as crimes against persons, it's essentially theft of a public resource. I agree with you in that I have no tolerance for poaching, but I think to put it on the same level as murder is a little far fetched. If you were to take that stance how would you ever justify killing the animal yourself when you've now put it on the same level as a human.
Quote from: xXLojackXx on July 26, 2013, 11:46:55 AMThe poacher used his weapon in an illegal manner, therefore violating and terminating his "rights" of such possession. For the same reason a fellow convicted of murder doesn't get to own weapons, he blew his chance of being a responsible firearm bearing adult. People that poach animals out of season are on the same page as convicted murders in my book. Lock the scum bags up an throw away the key. Or put a bear rug on them and tell them to walk the foothills in August. x2
Gross.The whole thing would bother me a lot less if they guy had harvested all usable meat/ hide from the elk. I actually do think there should be a different penalty for this kind of horrible, wanton waste of wildlife than poaching instances in which the whole animal is used. Not saying the latter is OK (should still be a crime) but this is really awful. It's a bit like the difference between murder in the heat of the moment and a premeditated hate-crime. Hope this dude can never hunt again.
