New dog contract?

[runamuk]

I do know someone who won in court over a contract violation, a show person who has hounds, so those scoffing at the contract's validity might need to rethink, marriage is a contract think on that a minute. Also I come from the show dog and purebred rescue side of the issue.

and yes these have become common and anyone who doesnt offer contracts and have testing etc is usually refered to derogatorily as a backyard breeder or puppymill two terms created by peta and hsus and bough hook line and sinker to divide dog owners breeders etc....

[Becky]

I do know someone who won in court over a contract violation, a show person who has hounds, so those scoffing at the contract's validity might need to rethink, marriage is a contract think on that a minute. Also I come from the show dog and purebred rescue side of the issue.

Oh yeah I forgot to say that these contracts are valid, absolutely, so don't scoff it off. Proving it might be a little different.. but a lot of the breeders do have lawyers who helped create the contract and are there to enforce it. They know what they're doing.

The contracts are not always one-size-fits-all either, so talk and get to know your breeders, let them get to know you, and talk about revising the contract too.

[AspenBud]

If the pup was deemed "pet quality" which meant nothing was wrong with them at all, just wasn't what they were looking for in the show ring (maybe off colored coat) so they didn't want to breed back with that dog, then the contract stated you had 3 months to show proof of spay/neuter and you had to sign off that you wouldn't breed the pup.

Such dogs are also often sold without papers, or the registration is withheld pending proof of spay/neuter.

[Becky]

If the pup was deemed "pet quality" which meant nothing was wrong with them at all, just wasn't what they were looking for in the show ring (maybe off colored coat) so they didn't want to breed back with that dog, then the contract stated you had 3 months to show proof of spay/neuter and you had to sign off that you wouldn't breed the pup.

Such dogs are also often sold without papers, or the registration is withheld pending proof of spay/neuter.

Oh yea for sure, forgot about that, they do have some slight leverage.

[AspenBud]

I do know someone who won in court over a contract violation, a show person who has hounds, so those scoffing at the contract's validity might need to rethink, marriage is a contract think on that a minute. Also I come from the show dog and purebred rescue side of the issue.

and yes these have become common and anyone who doesnt offer contracts and have testing etc is usually refered to derogatorily as a backyard breeder or puppymill two terms created by peta and hsus and bough hook line and sinker to divide dog owners breeders etc....

I know a breeder who has driven to a few different owners' houses and repossessed the dogs they sold because of a breech of contract. Some of the owners tried arguing with the legalities of it and their reply was "we can do this in a civil manner or we can see you in court, which shall it be?" They always get the dog.

[Knocker of rocks]

I do know someone who won in court over a contract violation, a show person who has hounds, so those scoffing at the contract's validity might need to rethink, marriage is a contract think on that a minute. Also I come from the show dog and purebred rescue side of the issue.

and yes these have become common and anyone who doesnt offer contracts and have testing etc is usually refered to derogatorily as a backyard breeder or puppymill two terms created by peta and hsus and bough hook line and sinker to divide dog owners breeders etc....

I know a breeder who has driven to a few different owners' houses and repossessed the dogs they sold because of a breech of contract. Some of the owners tried arguing with the legalities of it and their reply was "we can do this in a civil manner or we can see you in court, which shall it be?" They always get the dog.

Then those owners are idiots and cowards

[runamuk]

I do know someone who won in court over a contract violation, a show person who has hounds, so those scoffing at the contract's validity might need to rethink, marriage is a contract think on that a minute. Also I come from the show dog and purebred rescue side of the issue.

and yes these have become common and anyone who doesnt offer contracts and have testing etc is usually refered to derogatorily as a backyard breeder or puppymill two terms created by peta and hsus and bough hook line and sinker to divide dog owners breeders etc....

I know a breeder who has driven to a few different owners' houses and repossessed the dogs they sold because of a breech of contract. Some of the owners tried arguing with the legalities of it and their reply was "we can do this in a civil manner or we can see you in court, which shall it be?" They always get the dog.

Then those owners are idiots and cowards

so I can just not insure my truck even though it says I must in my contract after all its just a contract so not anything more than paper?  I can be single again by simply burning my marriage license after all it is just paper?  Employee contracts etc...all of these are just pieces of paper

[Knocker of rocks]

Marraige is codefied by law, with a long history of legal recognition.
Auto insurance is required by law, and if your wreck a car while you are still paying for it, you still owe the money.

All of these are much different than a contract written by a dog breeder for the sale of a dog. 

[Don Fischer]

When I was a whole lot younger, there was a breeder of Goldens that did only obedience trials with them. Unless you were an obedience competitor yourself you couldn't just go by a pup. It had to be a left over and had to be altered and the price was peanuts.

[runamuk]

Marraige is codefied by law, with a long history of legal recognition.
Auto insurance is required by law, and if your wreck a car while you are still paying for it, you still owe the money.

All of these are much different than a contract written by a dog breeder for the sale of a dog.

not really you obviously are ill informed in the world of dogs...my truck cost less than many of the dogs these breeders sell.  Same sorts of contracts in horses also have been taken to court and been won.  Or are you a contract lawyer now? in which case I will defer to your knowledge.

As for the original poster thee more unusual the breed often the more stipulations and things like breeding rights are retained due to the nature of a limited pool of good bloodlines.

[Knocker of rocks]

My point was if a breeder showed up at my house to reposes  my dog based on their perception of their legal rights, I would not surrender the dog and would tell them to get a court order.

Dogs and the such are much different than cars.  When you are buying a car, you do not have title until the car is paid off.   

[AspenBud]

My point was if a breeder showed up at my house to reposes  my dog based on their perception of their legal rights, I would not surrender the dog and would tell them to get a court order.

Dogs and the such are much different than cars.  When you are buying a car, you do not have title until the car is paid off.

That's fine, but when you enter a contract that says the breeder co-owns the dog with you that usually means they have as much, or more, right to the dog for the term as you do.

So in a lot of ways it's a lot like the bank taking the car back and your title comparison is a good one since you generally don't have sole ownership of the dog until the breeder either gets their litter or signs it off to you entirely.

As I said, if people don't like that, don't attempt to buy pups from breeders that have such requirements.

[rosscrazyelk]

I am not sure why they do these contracts anyway.  I have never met a breeder who kept in contact after they sold the dog anyway.  I got my weim from a friend who apparently had a contract that if she was to give the dog away she had to ask for the breeders permission.  Really?
I have had the dog for 3 years now.  Never heard anything

[Stilly bay]

I am not sure why they do these contracts anyway.  I have never met a breeder who kept in contact after they sold the dog anyway.

If you were trialing and campaigning your dog, and it was winning titles left and right and worth breeding ( no offense) you would most likely be hearing from the breeder about exercising the breeding rights detailed in the contract you signed.
Its a good deal for the breeder because you do all the heavy lifting and they can benefit from it, might also be good deal for the owner because few people put that much time, money, and effort into a dog without planning to breed.

[AspenBud]

I am not sure why they do these contracts anyway.  I have never met a breeder who kept in contact after they sold the dog anyway.

If you were trialing and campaigning your dog, and it was winning titles left and right and worth breeding ( no offense) you would most likely be hearing from the breeder about exercising the breeding rights detailed in the contract you signed.
Its a good deal for the breeder because you do all the heavy lifting and they can benefit from it, might also be good deal for the owner because few people put that much time, money, and effort into a dog without planning to breed.

...and dogs not worth breeding do no good for the gene pool. Hence spay and neuter stipulations. Though a lot of breeders will have that done ahead of sale anymore. Less trouble.