new Article: WDFW blindsided by Timberland Fees

[Curly]

I'm thinking about carrying a box of road flares to toss across the gated lines. Screw em.

Really? Thinking about arson and posting it on the WWW? Brilliant. Best of luck in the future! 

 

      

Better hope a suspicious fire doesn't start up.......they may come looking for you.  

[Eli346]

 Wouldn't think of dropping a flare, just sarcasm and frustration. Lighten up.

[pianoman9701]

Wouldn't think of dropping a flare, just sarcasm and frustration. Lighten up.

It's not me you have to be concerned about lightening up. After your public post, if a suspicious fire starts in one of these tree farms, I'll be the least of your worries. Everything you post on the internet is there forever.

[Bob33]

"And what did you mean by landowners next to a pubic road controlling everybody else?"

What kind of road?

[Axle]

Yeah but it's only $30 to access DNR lands

Only $30.00?  Be patient Bobcat, their foot is in the door  . Won't be long before it goes waaaaaay up from there 

[boneaddict]

Everybody is on board.   Have to buy a tribal permit to step out of your rig on Makah land.  $10 a pop.  That's just a start.   They are going to have to reinforce rear view mirrors pretty soon for all of the permits we hang off of them.

[fireweed]

"And what did you mean by landowners next to a pubic road controlling everybody else?"

What kind of road?

It means the one with the legal access (public road frontage) gets to control all the land behind them on the logging roads.  We all know in Wash. state USFS owns the Mountains, DNR then might own the foot hills, and private owns the lowland next to the public roads.  So if the lowland gates are shut, they can block all the land "behind" them (the public land).  Where I live we have many thousands of acres of public lands blocked by private timber simply because of this--to get to the public land from a public road you must first go through a few miles of private.  I DO blame the agencies for this.  They had chances in the past to get easements, but were getting public access (then!) without easements for free, so they didn't bother.  Now it is a big issue--for access, tourism, economic development, rural quality of life.  Those landlocked public areas, no matter how large, are ineligible for most public funding like grants.  So we pay in via taxes, but cant get funds for our public lands.   I have no sympathy for landowners who think it is their "right" to control public land.  Getting legal easements to landlocked public lands is the perfect use of eminent domain, especially for large parcels (1000's of acres) using existing roads. How could America or any country develop if roads to key areas couldn't pass through private lands? 

[Bob33]

"And what did you mean by landowners next to a pubic road controlling everybody else?"

What kind of road?

It means the one with the legal access (public road frontage) gets to control all the land behind them on the logging roads.

Read the quoted sentence again, carefully.

[snowpack]

"And what did you mean by landowners next to a pubic road controlling everybody else?"

What kind of road?

It means the one with the legal access (public road frontage) gets to control all the land behind them on the logging roads.

Read the quoted sentence again, carefully.

I think they have those kinds of roads in Seattle.

[pianoman9701]

I thought that private land-locked public land had to be accessible through easement.  - if a section of public land is completely surrounded by private land, there has to be a way for the public to enter it. Can anyone address this?

[headshot5]

if a section of public land is completely surrounded by private land, there has to be a way for the public to enter it. Can anyone address this?

Sure there is a way for the public to enter...  Helicopter!   

Okay, I'm joking.

[Curly]

if a section of public land is completely surrounded by private land, there has to be a way for the public to enter it. Can anyone address this?

Sure there is a way for the public to enter...  Helicopter!   

Okay, I'm joking.

You may be joking, but you are 100% correct.

Several years ago there was actually an ad in the WDFW hunting regs where a company was advertizing helicopter trips for hunters.  It would have been the only way to access some of the state land in the Toutle; my brother actually thought about hiring them to fly him in when WEYCO had the gates shut and no access was allowed by foot to get to the landlocked state land.

[bobcat]

I thought that private land-locked public land had to be accessible through easement.  - if a section of public land is completely surrounded by private land, there has to be a way for the public to enter it. Can anyone address this?

No, there's nothing that says all public land is accessible by the public. There is a lot of state DNR land that does have easements through private land, but the problem is these easements are only for DNR employees or contractors who are working on the state land.

Same thing with National Forest. Lots of it has no legal access for the public.

[JLS]

I thought that private land-locked public land had to be accessible through easement.  - if a section of public land is completely surrounded by private land, there has to be a way for the public to enter it. Can anyone address this?

No, it can be completely unavailable to the public.  The only exception is if a historic use easement existed.

This varies by state, but in WA there is no guarantee of legal public access.

[pianoman9701]

Too bad. So we own and pay for the land and have no use of it.