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Allow me to translate this for you."The WDFW had no idea that hunters would object to paying for access to what was public lands."
Quote from: Goshawk on August 05, 2013, 07:51:51 PMAllow me to translate this for you."The WDFW had no idea that hunters would object to paying for access to what was public lands."The lands were never "public", they were private lands that were open to the public. Public lands are owned by the government, not a company.
I'm thinking about carrying a box of road flares to toss across the gated lines. Screw em.
Yeah but it's only $30 to access DNR lands, and there's no limit to the number of permits they can sell. So, not quite the same. If Weyerhaeyser would sell access permits, for let's say $50 per vehicle, and no limit on the number sold, I think they'd bring in just as much money, and the average person could still afford to hunt on Weyerhaeuser.
Quote from: Eli346 on August 06, 2013, 07:20:03 PM I'm thinking about carrying a box of road flares to toss across the gated lines. Screw em.Really? Thinking about arson and posting it on the WWW? Brilliant. Best of luck in the future!
Wouldn't think of dropping a flare, just sarcasm and frustration. Lighten up.
Yeah but it's only $30 to access DNR lands
"And what did you mean by landowners next to a pubic road controlling everybody else?"What kind of road?
Quote from: Bob33 on August 08, 2013, 07:16:55 AM"And what did you mean by landowners next to a pubic road controlling everybody else?"What kind of road?It means the one with the legal access (public road frontage) gets to control all the land behind them on the logging roads.
Quote from: fireweed on August 08, 2013, 07:46:46 AMQuote from: Bob33 on August 08, 2013, 07:16:55 AM"And what did you mean by landowners next to a pubic road controlling everybody else?"What kind of road?It means the one with the legal access (public road frontage) gets to control all the land behind them on the logging roads.Read the quoted sentence again, carefully.
if a section of public land is completely surrounded by private land, there has to be a way for the public to enter it. Can anyone address this?
Quoteif a section of public land is completely surrounded by private land, there has to be a way for the public to enter it. Can anyone address this?Sure there is a way for the public to enter... Helicopter! Okay, I'm joking.
I thought that private land-locked public land had to be accessible through easement. - if a section of public land is completely surrounded by private land, there has to be a way for the public to enter it. Can anyone address this?
And, Our own DNR continues to "swap out" public lands held close to population centers for lands held in the high elevations of North Eastern Washington where almost nobody can just drop by after work or school to enjoy.
People need to remember DNR's #1 purpose is NOT providing public land access but rather profiting from timber sales
Quote from: fireweed on August 08, 2013, 07:46:46 AMQuote from: Bob33 on August 08, 2013, 07:16:55 AM"And what did you mean by landowners next to a pubic road controlling everybody else?"What kind of road?It means the one with the legal access (public road frontage) gets to control all the land behind them on the logging roads. We all know in Wash. state USFS owns the Mountains, DNR then might own the foot hills, and private owns the lowland next to the public roads. So if the lowland gates are shut, they can block all the land "behind" them (the public land). Where I live we have many thousands of acres of public lands blocked by private timber simply because of this--to get to the public land from a public road you must first go through a few miles of private. I DO blame the agencies for this. They had chances in the past to get easements, but were getting public access (then!) without easements for free, so they didn't bother. Now it is a big issue--for access, tourism, economic development, rural quality of life. Those landlocked public areas, no matter how large, are ineligible for most public funding like grants. So we pay in via taxes, but cant get funds for our public lands. I have no sympathy for landowners who think it is their "right" to control public land. Getting legal easements to landlocked public lands is the perfect use of eminent domain, especially for large parcels (1000's of acres) using existing roads. How could America or any country develop if roads to key areas couldn't pass through private lands? I don't know of any land owners that think it is their "right" to control public lands. It is not their fault the agencies were dumb enough to end up with these situations. If I had landlocked public land behind mine I sure as heck wouldn't keep an open road to it that I had to maintain and clean up garbage on, not to mention dealing with vandalism that inevitably goes along with it. Meanwhile sitting back waiting for a guy to run off the road and sue me because he claims a pothole or something was the cause. "Getting legal easements to landlocked public lands is the perfect use of eminent domain" I think you are spot on here! But I don't see how you can villainize the landowners because this is not happening I think it is pretty clear by now that the government agencies don't care to much about us. My bet is the only thing stopping them from purchasing easement's is that they don't want to pay for them and maintain the roads. They are doing a piss poor job of maintaining the roads they already do have in my area.
Quote from: Bob33 on August 08, 2013, 07:16:55 AM"And what did you mean by landowners next to a pubic road controlling everybody else?"What kind of road?It means the one with the legal access (public road frontage) gets to control all the land behind them on the logging roads. We all know in Wash. state USFS owns the Mountains, DNR then might own the foot hills, and private owns the lowland next to the public roads. So if the lowland gates are shut, they can block all the land "behind" them (the public land). Where I live we have many thousands of acres of public lands blocked by private timber simply because of this--to get to the public land from a public road you must first go through a few miles of private. I DO blame the agencies for this. They had chances in the past to get easements, but were getting public access (then!) without easements for free, so they didn't bother. Now it is a big issue--for access, tourism, economic development, rural quality of life. Those landlocked public areas, no matter how large, are ineligible for most public funding like grants. So we pay in via taxes, but cant get funds for our public lands. I have no sympathy for landowners who think it is their "right" to control public land. Getting legal easements to landlocked public lands is the perfect use of eminent domain, especially for large parcels (1000's of acres) using existing roads. How could America or any country develop if roads to key areas couldn't pass through private lands?
Quote from: Goshawk on August 06, 2013, 06:43:26 PMAnd, Our own DNR continues to "swap out" public lands held close to population centers for lands held in the high elevations of North Eastern Washington where almost nobody can just drop by after work or school to enjoy.People need to remember DNR's #1 purpose is NOT providing public land access but rather profiting from timber sales
Quote from: Eli346 on August 07, 2013, 04:24:20 PM Wouldn't think of dropping a flare, just sarcasm and frustration. Lighten up.It's not me you have to be concerned about lightening up. After your public post, if a suspicious fire starts in one of these tree farms, I'll be the least of your worries. Everything you post on the internet is there forever.
Quote from: bigtex on August 09, 2013, 08:58:03 AMQuote from: Goshawk on August 06, 2013, 06:43:26 PMAnd, Our own DNR continues to "swap out" public lands held close to population centers for lands held in the high elevations of North Eastern Washington where almost nobody can just drop by after work or school to enjoy.People need to remember DNR's #1 purpose is NOT providing public land access but rather profiting from timber sales Interesting...I wonder if they know that. They're currently cutting 1/3 of what would be considered sustainable...meanwhile the state is broke and people have to pay for access.
Quote "Public lands are owned by the government, not a company"no...public lands are owned by us. They are only managed by the government.
"Public lands are owned by the government, not a company"
Get a group for hunting. Hire a helicopter to drop you in the State property that is land locked. Not sure what the payment would look like but not sure it would be too much split between three or four people.