New rules... 21

[hdshot]

The DAILY limit is still 7 ducks

The aggregate limit is 21.

That means us wetsiders can go hunt the potholes on a 3 day weekend and be legal coming home.

Definite improvement. Someone up there is starting to listen.

If limits were that easy only 14 would not stop them.

I see it helping out the club hunters the most.

I see it as a overall good thing, I know there has been times where I wished I was good enough and had 3 days in a row where I could worry about traveling with 21 ducks 

no seriously though, I think it makes sense for the guys who travel to be able to shoot for 3 days, if you had 2 good days and limited on both the 3rd you couldnt shoot at all. now the guy that has 18 ducks to take home doesnt have to worry.

Possession limit also counts whats in the freezer as well.  Hunting is really down and the state is trying to get more licenses sold for revenue is all, not help the hunter succeed in the blind with more fowl in the air.

The statement in bold:
This is the feds position, but, they can't back it up with the Mig. Waterfowl Act or any other regulation.
I spent some time last year trying to get them to do just that. It is their "opinion" that is what the rule means. That is all I could get from the feds is an opinion, nothing in writing.

Here is the wording from the reg. book. It is under the heading" Summary of Federal Regulations".


Field possession limit:
No person shall possess, have in custody, or
transport more than the daily bag limit or
aggregate daily bag limit, whichever applies, of
migratory game birds, tagged or not tagged, at
or between the place where taken and either:
a) His automobile or principal means of land
transportation; or
b) His personal abode or temporary or
transient place of lodging; or
c) A migratory bird preservation facility; or
d) A post office; or
e) A common carrier facility.

The part in bold, means:

The field possession limit ends when you leave your blind and put the ducks in your car.

This is being debated and discussed by hunting groups all over. I've talked to guys from Texas to the SE.
All agree with the field possession limit in bold letters. All states have something similar.

Feds also have no laws that ban spinners as well.  In the WA waterfowl regs just says "possession limit" and nothing else that I see.  Possession limit is very broad that covers every scenario of harvested birds a hunter has whether in the field, transport, home, or even your Mom's house before consumed or prepared.   

Not true.
The WDFW and Fed DFW have told me--state law is is similar but not more stringent than fed law.
The state law reads word for word as the fed law and mig. waterfowl act.
In 2 yrs of debating this, no one in any capacity in the Fish and game regulatory offices, both state and federal, can disprove the statement that possession is between place taken and your car etc....

Well I can help you out.  Webster's Dictionary, Possession n act of possessing; thing possessed; ownership.

[Fishnclifff]

The DAILY limit is still 7 ducks

The aggregate limit is 21.

That means us wetsiders can go hunt the potholes on a 3 day weekend and be legal coming home.

Definite improvement. Someone up there is starting to listen.

If limits were that easy only 14 would not stop them.

I see it helping out the club hunters the most.

I see it as a overall good thing, I know there has been times where I wished I was good enough and had 3 days in a row where I could worry about traveling with 21 ducks 

no seriously though, I think it makes sense for the guys who travel to be able to shoot for 3 days, if you had 2 good days and limited on both the 3rd you couldnt shoot at all. now the guy that has 18 ducks to take home doesnt have to worry.

Possession limit also counts whats in the freezer as well.  Hunting is really down and the state is trying to get more licenses sold for revenue is all, not help the hunter succeed in the blind with more fowl in the air.

The statement in bold:
This is the feds position, but, they can't back it up with the Mig. Waterfowl Act or any other regulation.
I spent some time last year trying to get them to do just that. It is their "opinion" that is what the rule means. That is all I could get from the feds is an opinion, nothing in writing.

Here is the wording from the reg. book. It is under the heading" Summary of Federal Regulations".


Field possession limit:
No person shall possess, have in custody, or
transport more than the daily bag limit or
aggregate daily bag limit, whichever applies, of
migratory game birds, tagged or not tagged, at
or between the place where taken and either:
a) His automobile or principal means of land
transportation; or
b) His personal abode or temporary or
transient place of lodging; or
c) A migratory bird preservation facility; or
d) A post office; or
e) A common carrier facility.

The part in bold, means:

The field possession limit ends when you leave your blind and put the ducks in your car.

This is being debated and discussed by hunting groups all over. I've talked to guys from Texas to the SE.
All agree with the field possession limit in bold letters. All states have something similar.

Feds also have no laws that ban spinners as well.  In the WA waterfowl regs just says "possession limit" and nothing else that I see. Possession limit is very broad that covers every scenario of harvested birds a hunter has whether in the field, transport, home, or even your Mom's house before consumed or prepared.   

Can you show anyone this definition in the state, federal law or Mig. Waterfowl act?

[Fishnclifff]

As for the spinners?

The fed mig. act allows states to set seasons and harvest rules according to the population counts in their states.

WA is not the only state that does not allow motorized decoys.

1. They DO NOT set limits by the population of the state.

2. 48 states allow motorized decoys.

Please carry on

I shouldn't but what the hell.

Here is the link for the Mig. Bird Treaty.
Let's see who does what, shall we?
http://www.fws.gov/southeast/birds/faq.htm#HuntingSeasons
 

All migratory birds are listed as a trust species for the Department of the Interior according to the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1916.  The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has the primary responsibility
Hunting Seasons
Through a regulatory process that begins each year in January and includes public consultation, the Service establishes the frameworks that govern all migratory bird hunting in the United States. Within the boundaries established by those frameworks, State wildlife commissions have the flexibility to determine season length, bag limits, and areas for migratory game bird hunting.  Each state has primary responsibility and authority over the hunting of wildlife that resides within state boundaries The State fish and wildlife agencies that sell hunting licenses are the best source of information regarding hunting seasons, areas open/closed to hunting, etc.

[Fishnclifff]

God I'm bored. Sucks having a sprained arm and a cold.

Okay so I started this mess again. Let's see, how bout this one.

http://wildlife.state.co.us/SiteCollectionDocuments/DOW/Hunting/Waterfowl/FederalRegulationsforhuntingmigratorygamebirds.pdf

Can't copy and paste from this one

Read "termination of possesion".

My wife loves it when I bring her gifts.

[hdshot]

God I'm bored. Sucks having a sprained arm and a cold.

Okay so I started this mess again. Let's see, how bout this one.

http://wildlife.state.co.us/SiteCollectionDocuments/DOW/Hunting/Waterfowl/FederalRegulationsforhuntingmigratorygamebirds.pdf

Can't copy and paste from this one

Read "termination of possesion".

My wife loves it when I bring her gifts.

Our state of WA just states the possession limit part of the Fed law and leaves out the field possession law in the WA waterfowl regs. 

That gives the states power on how to enforce laws and our state just says possession limit unless lost is some fine print.  States always have more strict laws than the Feds do but states can't be more relaxed than the feds.  That's why this new marijuana law is making so much noise is because 2 states are telling the Feds to fly a kite.  Just because the Feds say ok the state can say no.  For some states a nonresident to free lance hunt waterfowl they have to enter draw.  So if the hunter doesn't draw the hunter can't turn around and say I have a treaty that says I can hunt waterfowl there.  Even Feds say it's legal but the hunter will still have no daily bag, no season, no possession limit, and even no field possession limit.

Only thing I see is possession limit in the WA regs and that is the only legal method our state will recognize and nothing else.

Let's go to South Dakota and hunt some green heads this fall.  Oh crap Federal laws and treaties can't even make that happen this year.

http://www.outdoornews.com/May-2013/South-Dakotas-Nonresident-Waterfowl-License-Numbers-Tundra-Swan-Season-Finalized/

   

       

[NWgamehunter]

14 or 21..... still gonna get eyes rolled at me in february when we turn in the breast meat for processing...

[Fishnclifff]

Our state of WA just states the possession limit part of the Fed law and leaves out the field possession law in the WA waterfowl regs. 

Page 35 of the WA state reg, lists, the fed field possession limit.

The page heading is  SUMMARY OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS

Field possession limit rules are on the right side of the page.

[hdshot]

Our state of WA just states the possession limit part of the Fed law and leaves out the field possession law in the WA waterfowl regs. 

Page 35 of the WA state reg, lists, the fed field possession limit.

The page heading is  SUMMARY OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS

Field possession limit rules are on the right side of the page.

Hold the phone man!

You better read the field possession limit law better like I just did.  Only covers the daily bag limit or aggregate daily bag limit laws.  Says nothing about possession limit laws.

[Fishnclifff]

Our state of WA just states the possession limit part of the Fed law and leaves out the field possession law in the WA waterfowl regs. 

Page 35 of the WA state reg, lists, the fed field possession limit.

The page heading is  SUMMARY OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS

Field possession limit rules are on the right side of the page.

Hold the phone man!

You better read the field possession limit law better like I just did.  Only covers the daily bag limit or aggregate daily bag limit laws. Says nothing about possession limit laws.

Back about 4 or 5 posts, I listed a PDF. On that PDF it defines all the possession terms.
Under the heading "termination of Possession ", it says possession ends when the birds are gifted or taken to a facility described in the text.
There is NO fed rules or laws , other than that text, that describe possession.
There are certainly no laws restricting how many birds you can have in your freezer or home.

So after your hunt, you cannot transport more than 21 birds at a time.
The field possession rule ends at your car.
The aggregate possession rule ends when you go home and say " honey, I brought you a gift".

There is some noise out of Texas about getting a fed rule, similar to our salmon rule, about processed game, but,

the PDF clearly defines the terms and restrictions.

[hdshot]

I'm going to write up a scenario how field possession limit and possession limit works.

Hunter Joe in is going to take a 3 day duck hunting trip.  First day he harvested 2 mallard drake and 2 hen mallards.  The field possession law allows him to carry his birds from the blind to his camper. But now he has 4 ducks in his possession with 2 hen mallards.  Day 2 he harvested 3 mallard drakes and 2 hen mallards and takes his birds to the camper following the field possession law that didn't exceed 7 ducks or 2 hen mallards but now has 9 ducks in his possession with 4 hen mallards.  Day 3 harvested 3 mallard drakes and 2 hen mallards and he now has 14 ducks in his possession with 6 hen mallards.  Well on day 3 while he was carring his field possession of 3 drakes and 2 hens back to the camper he finds the mother load of ducks in a pond he has never seen a duck before.  So he calls in sick but he knows he has his possession limit 6 hen mallards and had a nice hunt by getting (2 pintail 1 hen 1 drake) and 5 mallard drakes and could of been limited two hours early because he had to let the hen mallards go and had to watch his shots because the sun was in his eyes all morning.  He now has his first daily bag limit and field possession limit to take to the truck and head for home with a possession limit of 21 ducks, possession limit of 6 hen mallards, and buys his dog a treat as thanks for not finding a duck cripple in the brush during the trip. 

Now he gets home prepares his birds into jerky which is ready to be eaten and saves some for his next hunting trip when his buddy and son can go.       

[hdshot]

Our state of WA just states the possession limit part of the Fed law and leaves out the field possession law in the WA waterfowl regs. 

Page 35 of the WA state reg, lists, the fed field possession limit.

The page heading is  SUMMARY OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS

Field possession limit rules are on the right side of the page.

Hold the phone man!

You better read the field possession limit law better like I just did.  Only covers the daily bag limit or aggregate daily bag limit laws. Says nothing about possession limit laws.

Back about 4 or 5 posts, I listed a PDF. On that PDF it defines all the possession terms.
Under the heading "termination of Possession ", it says possession ends when the birds are gifted or taken to a facility described in the text.
There is NO fed rules or laws , other than that text, that describe possession.
There are certainly no laws restricting how many birds you can have in your freezer or home.

So after your hunt, you cannot transport more than 21 birds at a time.
The field possession rule ends at your car.
The aggregate possession rule ends when you go home and say " honey, I brought you a gift".

There is some noise out of Texas about getting a fed rule, similar to our salmon rule, about processed game, but,

the PDF clearly defines the terms and restrictions.

Yes there are loop holes, agreed. But if something were to happen you better have stories straight with others involved.  I'm just stating what the law is.  Yes I can see someone else legally possessing the birds you lawfully taken because is says possessed only by any one person in possession limit law.  Doesn't specify that one person even needs a hunting licence, just lawfully taken.  Yes I can see a non-hunting wife take possession of the birds her husband lawfully taken, as example.   

[Fishnclifff]

I'm going to write up a scenario how field possession limit and possession limit works.

Hunter Joe in is going to take a 3 day duck hunting trip.  First day he harvested 2 mallard drake and 2 hen mallards.  The field possession law allows him to carry his birds from the blind to his camper. But now he has 4 ducks in his possession with 2 hen mallards.  Day 2 he harvested 3 mallard drakes and 2 hen mallards and takes his birds to the camper following the field possession law that didn't exceed 7 ducks or 2 hen mallards but now has 9 ducks in his possession with 4 hen mallards.  Day 3 harvested 3 mallard drakes and 2 hen mallards and he now has 14 ducks in his possession with 6 hen mallards.  Well on day 3 while he was carring his field possession of 3 drakes and 2 hens back to the camper he finds the mother load of ducks in a pond he has never seen a duck before.  So he calls in sick but he knows he has his possession limit 6 hen mallards and had a nice hunt by getting (2 pintail 1 hen 1 drake) and 5 mallard drakes and could of been limited two hours early because he had to let the hen mallards go and had to watch his shots because the sun was in his eyes all morning.  He now has his first daily bag limit and field possession limit to take to the truck and head for home with a possession limit of 21 ducks, possession limit of 6 hen mallards, and buys his dog a treat as thanks for not finding a duck cripple in the brush during the trip. 

Now he gets home prepares his birds into jerky which is ready to be eaten and saves some for his next hunting trip when his buddy and son can go.       

You just described a perfectly legal 4 day hunt, which would not have been 4 days without the change.
So

[Fishnclifff]

Our state of WA just states the possession limit part of the Fed law and leaves out the field possession law in the WA waterfowl regs. 

Page 35 of the WA state reg, lists, the fed field possession limit.

The page heading is  SUMMARY OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS

Field possession limit rules are on the right side of the page.

Hold the phone man!

You better read the field possession limit law better like I just did.  Only covers the daily bag limit or aggregate daily bag limit laws. Says nothing about possession limit laws.

Back about 4 or 5 posts, I listed a PDF. On that PDF it defines all the possession terms.
Under the heading "termination of Possession ", it says possession ends when the birds are gifted or taken to a facility described in the text.
There is NO fed rules or laws , other than that text, that describe possession.
There are certainly no laws restricting how many birds you can have in your freezer or home.

So after your hunt, you cannot transport more than 21 birds at a time.
The field possession rule ends at your car.
The aggregate possession rule ends when you go home and say " honey, I brought you a gift".

There is some noise out of Texas about getting a fed rule, similar to our salmon rule, about processed game, but,

the PDF clearly defines the terms and restrictions.

Yes there are loop holes, agreed. But if something were to happen you better have stories straight with others involved.  I'm just stating what the law is.  Yes I can see someone else legally possessing the birds you lawfully taken because is says possessed only by any one person in possession limit law.  Doesn't specify that one person even needs a hunting licence, just lawfully taken.  Yes I can see a non-hunting wife take possession of the birds her husband lawfully taken, as example.

I don't understand the loop holes you refer to.

The possession rules are for lawful hunters with a hunting license. These are the limitations placed on the hunter by the fed. mig. treaty. ie  what you can shoot, how many you can shoot, and how many you can possess at a time.
The rules do not apply to other citizens-- unless they are transporting birds.
Possession ends when you gift them to anyone.

[hdshot]

Our state of WA just states the possession limit part of the Fed law and leaves out the field possession law in the WA waterfowl regs. 

Page 35 of the WA state reg, lists, the fed field possession limit.

The page heading is  SUMMARY OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS

Field possession limit rules are on the right side of the page.

Hold the phone man!

You better read the field possession limit law better like I just did.  Only covers the daily bag limit or aggregate daily bag limit laws. Says nothing about possession limit laws.

Back about 4 or 5 posts, I listed a PDF. On that PDF it defines all the possession terms.
Under the heading "termination of Possession ", it says possession ends when the birds are gifted or taken to a facility described in the text.
There is NO fed rules or laws , other than that text, that describe possession.
There are certainly no laws restricting how many birds you can have in your freezer or home.

So after your hunt, you cannot transport more than 21 birds at a time.
The field possession rule ends at your car.
The aggregate possession rule ends when you go home and say " honey, I brought you a gift".

There is some noise out of Texas about getting a fed rule, similar to our salmon rule, about processed game, but,

the PDF clearly defines the terms and restrictions.

Yes there are loop holes, agreed. But if something were to happen you better have stories straight with others involved.  I'm just stating what the law is.  Yes I can see someone else legally possessing the birds you lawfully taken because is says possessed only by any one person in possession limit law.  Doesn't specify that one person even needs a hunting licence, just lawfully taken.  Yes I can see a non-hunting wife take possession of the birds her husband lawfully taken, as example.

I don't understand the loop holes you refer to.

The possession rules are for lawful hunters with a hunting license. These are the limitations placed on the hunter by the fed. mig. treaty. ie  what you can shoot, how many you can shoot, and how many you can possess at a time.
The rules do not apply to other citizens-- unless they are transporting birds.
Possession ends when you gift them to anyone.

That is what I said, but they better tell the law man they took possession of the lawfully taken waterfowl if any thing comes up so they don't leave you holding the bag.  But the hunter can't go harvest more on the same day that would exceed daily bag limits.  A person doesn't need a license to possess lawfully taken waterfowl as you stated as anyone.  But they better understand possession limit as well.

[hdshot]

I'm going to write up a scenario how field possession limit and possession limit works.

Hunter Joe in is going to take a 3 day duck hunting trip.  First day he harvested 2 mallard drake and 2 hen mallards.  The field possession law allows him to carry his birds from the blind to his camper. But now he has 4 ducks in his possession with 2 hen mallards.  Day 2 he harvested 3 mallard drakes and 2 hen mallards and takes his birds to the camper following the field possession law that didn't exceed 7 ducks or 2 hen mallards but now has 9 ducks in his possession with 4 hen mallards.  Day 3 harvested 3 mallard drakes and 2 hen mallards and he now has 14 ducks in his possession with 6 hen mallards.  Well on day 3 while he was carring his field possession of 3 drakes and 2 hens back to the camper he finds the mother load of ducks in a pond he has never seen a duck before.  So he calls in sick but he knows he has his possession limit 6 hen mallards and had a nice hunt by getting (2 pintail 1 hen 1 drake) and 5 mallard drakes and could of been limited two hours early because he had to let the hen mallards go and had to watch his shots because the sun was in his eyes all morning.  He now has his first daily bag limit and field possession limit to take to the truck and head for home with a possession limit of 21 ducks, possession limit of 6 hen mallards, and buys his dog a treat as thanks for not finding a duck cripple in the brush during the trip. 

Now he gets home prepares his birds into jerky which is ready to be eaten and saves some for his next hunting trip when his buddy and son can go.       

You just described a perfectly legal 4 day hunt, which would not have been 4 days without the change.
So

So, you seem to interpret possession limit is a travel limit which is not true and no such thing.