Anyone want to sell there pe ell Weyerhaeuser permit

[teegansdad]

Man missed the boat on that one I have been walking into the pe ell Weyerhaeuser land off pe ell McDonald rd since they gated years ago now the sell a pass to hunt but its my understanding its closed to walk in traffic w/o the permit  anyone out there wanna share there permit for a fee or maybe sell there's to me ??

[sirmissalot]

Can you do that?

[DARKTIMBER]

The permit comes with a piece of paper that has your name on it, any childern you take in and you wife if you choose to have them on ther permit. It is also stamped with a seal. So you are pretty much s.o.l.

[Blacktail Sniper]

Their website says it can be sold to one other person or a spouse. 

http://www.wyrecreationnw.com/StartHere/TermsConditions.aspx

[sirmissalot]

Their website says it can be sold to one other person or a spouse. 

http://www.wyrecreationnw.com/StartHere/TermsConditions.aspx

That is for leases, not permits. At least thats how I read it

[Timberstalker]

Their website says it can be sold to one other person or a spouse. 

http://www.wyrecreationnw.com/StartHere/TermsConditions.aspx

That is for leases, not permits. At least thats how I read it

Read down further; it is under the permit headline.

Terms and Conditions - Permits

1. “Permittee” is the person(s) who purchase an access permit. A permit can be sold to one person or to legally-married spouses. Children and grandchildren under the age of 19 may accompany the Permittee at no additional charge. A Permittee cannot assign, transfer, or otherwise convey their permit to another party.

2. Permittee may use the permit area for any legal recreation purposes that comply with the actual terms of the Permit. Permitee shall not damage, cut, injure or destroy any trees, crops, roads, fences, buildings or other improvements located on the leased property. Permittee agrees to compensate Weyerhaeuser (WY) for any damages to the above. Do not drive nails, spikes, screw, bolts or any metal object in any tree.

3. All local, state and federal laws shall be observed by Permittee. If a Permittee observes any illegal activity on WY property, it should be reported to Weyerhaeuser via the e-mail address listed on the “Contact Us” tab at the top of the web page.

4. Permittee’s use of WY property is at their own risk. The permit area is within unimproved timberland used primarily for growing and harvesting timber. Dangerous conditions may exist. There will be on-going forest management and other commercial activities such log & rock hauling, timber felling, and application of fertilizer & herbicides by helicopter or ground spray. Permittee may not interfere with any forest management or commercial activities or with any easements or right-of-ways for any type of road, railroads, drainage structures or utilities or with any activities associated with oil, gas, mineral or other leases.

5. Permit term is August 1 to December 31 each year.

6. All vehicles operated on the property will carry insurance sufficient to satisfy the minimum insurance required by WA state law. Anyone driving on the leased property must have a valid state driver’s license.

7. Permittee shall not do anything that could cause a wildfire on the property. Permittee shall use its best efforts to suppress any fire that occurs on WY property during the term of the lease. No fireworks are allowed.

8. No camping is allowed at Vail.

9. Camping is allowed at Pe Ell with certain restrictions. All campsites shall be maintained in a neat and orderly manner at least 150’ away from the nearest water body. No permanent structures can be erected. Campfires may be built outside of fire season which generally runs April 15th to October 15th. Fires may not be left unattended and will be completely extinguished using water of foam before Permittee leaves the camp area.

10. Motorized traffic is limited to rocked roads only. No ATVs, motorcycles, ORVs or snowmobiles are allowed – not even in a trailer or the back of a pickup.

11. Weyerhaeuser reserves the right to restrict access to WY property if, in the sole judgment of Weyerhaeuser, weather conditions present an extreme fire hazard or other unsafe condition.

12. Permittee accepts WY property in its present “as is” condition. Permittee understands that there may be hidden hazards, including but limited to holes, fence wire, wild animals, wells, water bodies, harmful plants, equipment, and unauthorized persons on the Property, or other risks that may cause injury or death. Permittee assumes all these risks as its own responsibility, and agrees to hold Weyerhaeuser Company and its subsidiaries harmless from and against any and all claims of loss, damages, liabilities, personal injuries, or expenses (including but not limited to court costs and attorney’s fee) incurred as a result of any injury to or death of any person or persons or any damage to property in any way arising out of or connected with the Property, or in any way arising out of Permittee’s activities on the Property.

13. A Permit may be canceled by Weyerhaeuser if Permittee violates any terms of the permit. Notice of cancellation shall be in writing and sent by certified U.S. mail to the Permittee, and cancellation shall be effective on the seventh (7th) day from deposit in the U.S. mail. No refund will be given if the Permit is canceled for breach of any term of the permit.

14. General rules:

a) No rockhounding, gold panning, digging or taking of rock speciments
b) No removal of firewood or other forest products except berries and mushrooms for personal use
c) No target or skeet shooting
d) No alcohol or illegal drugs
e) Dogs are allowed on the leased area provided they are NOT used for hunting or tracking game.

[Blacktail Sniper]

 

Bottom half of page covers permits....

[Timberstalker]

But after reading further it states "A Permittee cannot assign, transfer, or otherwise convey their permit to another party."

Pretty certain you are stuck.   

[Blacktail Sniper]

That would cover his wanting to "share" someones permit.  Selling it gives up your access and allows the buyer to take your place.

[Skillet]

They are talking about the original permit sale - it is sold by Weyerhouser to "one person or legally-married spouses".  That basically means that a church group can't buy the permit and let everybody use it at once or in turn...

As timberstalker points out, it does explicitly say that you cannot transfer it, ie., no re-selling...

[teegansdad]

First off any of you realize that that area has been walk in only for 6 years its like 65000 acres of area or more thats alot of un pressured animals for the last 6 years I've been hiking in as far as my legs will go. Who ever has that permit during archery or muzzle elk is going to slaughter em. Let me in

[Timberstalker]

They are talking about the original permit sale - it is sold by Weyerhouser to "one person or legally-married spouses".  That basically means that a church group can't buy the permit and let everybody use it at once or in turn...

As timberstalker points out, it does explicitly say that you cannot transfer it, ie., no re-selling...

Absolutely how I understand it.

[bobcat]

They are talking about the original permit sale - it is sold by Weyerhouser to "one person or legally-married spouses".  That basically means that a church group can't buy the permit and let everybody use it at once or in turn...

    That's what I was about to post. Once you purchase the permit, it's yours. Cannot be transferred to anyone else.

[teegansdad]

I get it I'm screwed

[Blacktail Sniper]

Kinda sounds that way.  I guess you could contact Weyco if you felt like it, but sounds like what every one is saying is how it goes. 

[bobcat]

Maybe next year. However, I suspect many who want to purchase a permit, will not get one. I'd guess demand will be twice what it was this year, as many people likely did not even know about it. And if supply is the same (650 permits) they will probably sell out in less than an hour.

Maybe they will double the price. That could help to ease demand. Or, they could double the number of permits, and that's what I think they should do. 650 permits seems awful low, for the amount of area it covers. Especially when you figure many of the permit holders didn't purchase it for hunting.

[Blacktail Sniper]

I bet next year they throw St Helen's into the mix AND up the prices. 

[Antlershed]

If it was possible to sell it to someone else, I'm pretty sure I know someone who would sell theirs. He is coming home after two days of having Weyco employees driving into the walk-in only areas, including some of them shooting rifles in a patch of timber that he knew a herd of elk were in. What a joke!

[madmack76]

antlershed your friend needs to turn them in to the warden.

[Jeremiah P]

The phone calls have been made. 2 shots yesterday and one today 80 yatds above me in the timber as I was closing the distance on a big 5. Another guy I've been talking to at the gate got cussed out by two gentleman saying he was in their way and as weyco employees they would go where they wanted. So there goes all my scouting in the course of 2 days, gotta love the ignorant ones

[Becky]

I really don't think they'll ever allow the passes to be sold/transferred to anyone else.

If Weyerhaeuser is in it to make money - they wouldn't be making any.
If they're in it to regulate traffic to the original number of passholders - once you allow selling/transferring then that all goes out the window. One passholder goes in there on opening day, gets lucky and harvests an animal right off the bat, "oh look I can sell this pass now, I got my animal" ... that's instantly getting out of hand.

[Spuddieselwwu]

How's your daughters hunt doing? You guys drop a cow today?

[h2ofowlr]

By the sounds of it and Weyerhaeuser is going to go this way on all of their land.  They are making to much money off the deal.  That is several million acres of land.  Hunting will be a fee sport for future generation.  Pay to play.

[teegansdad]

How's your daughters hunt doing? You guys drop a cow today?

No not yet haven't seen a critter for two days!  It ain't for lack of trying she's given that blind 2   13hr days we will have to keep patient I suppose

[sirmissalot]

Bottom half of page covers permits....

Got it, I should have read closer. I looked and looked for those rules and never could find them... glad I saw this!

[KillerBeee]

If you're having trouble with Weyerhauser employees, contact the office. They may not do anything but it seems like they are looking for feedback now that we are paying for access.