Your welcome Nez Pierce.

[turkeyfeather]

It's a one sided fight, the Indians have nothing to fight for. They have everything they want, they will never lose the rights they have. Our frustrations are probably not even on their radar, they could give two chits what we think. I bet they laugh their butts off when they have a pow pow about this subject.

I think I started a thread that would be to the contrary.  We need to co manage, period.  It's a shared resource regardless of what opinions individuals hold.  We do care and are taking action.

But in order to co-manage we all need to be playing by the same rules.

[Green broke]

It's a one sided fight, the Indians have nothing to fight for. They have everything they want, they will never lose the rights they have. Our frustrations are probably not even on their radar, they could give two chits what we think. I bet they laugh their butts off when they have a pow pow about this subject.

I think I started a thread that would be to the contrary.  We need to co manage, period.  It's a shared resource regardless of what opinions individuals hold.  We do care and are taking action.

But in order to co-manage we all need to be playing by the same rules.

I respectfully disagree.

[trophyhunt]

It's a one sided fight, the Indians have nothing to fight for. They have everything they want, they will never lose the rights they have. Our frustrations are probably not even on their radar, they could give two chits what we think. I bet they laugh their butts off when they have a pow pow about this subject.

I think I started a thread that would be to the contrary.  We need to co manage, period.  It's a shared resource regardless of what opinions individuals hold.  We do care and are taking action.

i bet your tribe can't touch the mucks or yaks when it comes to hunting rights? Or have any effect on the tribes down by the blues in Idaho? I sure there are some good tribes, but they don't seem to help with the frustrations.

[turkeyfeather]

Arguments are always directed by how they are stated/framed... What many of us SHOULD be upset about is how OUR government got out of control and how we are going to reign it in. Instead we fight amongst ourselves and only invite GOV to interfere MORE with our lives... Unfortunately that has worked for keeping hunters divided on MANY issues for a long time... Our infighting makes it easier for GOV to direct our frustration AWAY from the real cause.

   ill thank you turkey as I do all veterans because that's what I was taught.  There us no question to my loyalties as a citizen of this Country because idefended it and continue to defend and standup for this Country.  It just so happens I also am a member of a Tribe.  My family has served this Country in every branch of the armed services going back to WWI so to say I insult or degrade anything is absurd.

I've gone above and beyond on my own to deal with the abuses and violations and will continue on my own regardless of what anybody he thinks and believes so good day and enjoy the rest of this debate.

As I stated before Plat, you seem to be a stand up guy and I have no issues with you. It appears that you get it and understand or are at least willing to listen to the other side. I also commend you and thank you for your service, but I do find it a tad offensive to refer to the constitution as "a piece of paper". It is clearly much more than that to all of us that defended her. I meant no offense to you. I think we all agree on what the real offensive travesties here are.

[turkeyfeather]

It's a one sided fight, the Indians have nothing to fight for. They have everything they want, they will never lose the rights they have. Our frustrations are probably not even on their radar, they could give two chits what we think. I bet they laugh their butts off when they have a pow pow about this subject.

I think I started a thread that would be to the contrary.  We need to co manage, period.  It's a shared resource regardless of what opinions individuals hold.  We do care and are taking action.

But in order to co-manage we all need to be playing by the same rules.

I respectfully disagree.

How can you successfully co-manage when you clearly have two different agendas? It's simply not possible and history has proven that.

[trophyhunt]

It's a one sided fight, the Indians have nothing to fight for. They have everything they want, they will never lose the rights they have. Our frustrations are probably not even on their radar, they could give two chits what we think. I bet they laugh their butts off when they have a pow pow about this subject.

I think I started a thread that would be to the contrary.  We need to co manage, period.  It's a shared resource regardless of what opinions individuals hold.  We do care and are taking action.

But in order to co-manage we all need to be playing by the same rules.

I respectfully disagree.

and that is the whole reason we are debating and why we have bad blood between us....... You guys don't want to play by the same rules! That's just a bit racist to me!

[Green broke]

It's a one sided fight, the Indians have nothing to fight for. They have everything they want, they will never lose the rights they have. Our frustrations are probably not even on their radar, they could give two chits what we think. I bet they laugh their butts off when they have a pow pow about this subject.

I think I started a thread that would be to the contrary.  We need to co manage, period.  It's a shared resource regardless of what opinions individuals hold.  We do care and are taking action.

But in order to co-manage we all need to be playing by the same rules.

I respectfully disagree.

and that is the whole reason we are debating and why we have bad blood between us....... You guys don't want to play by the same rules! That's just a bit racist to me!

View it as you see fit.  I will continue to work for effective management of a shared resource.

[turkeyfeather]

It's a one sided fight, the Indians have nothing to fight for. They have everything they want, they will never lose the rights they have. Our frustrations are probably not even on their radar, they could give two chits what we think. I bet they laugh their butts off when they have a pow pow about this subject.

I think I started a thread that would be to the contrary.  We need to co manage, period.  It's a shared resource regardless of what opinions individuals hold.  We do care and are taking action.

But in order to co-manage we all need to be playing by the same rules.

I respectfully disagree.

and that is the whole reason we are debating and why we have bad blood between us....... You guys don't want to play by the same rules! That's just a bit racist to me!

View it as you see fit.  I will continue to work for effective management of a shared resource.

To imply it's a shared resource implies it's available equally.

[Special T]

It's a one sided fight, the Indians have nothing to fight for. They have everything they want, they will never lose the rights they have. Our frustrations are probably not even on their radar, they could give two chits what we think. I bet they laugh their butts off when they have a pow pow about this subject.

I think I started a thread that would be to the contrary.  We need to co manage, period.  It's a shared resource regardless of what opinions individuals hold.  We do care and are taking action.

But in order to co-manage we all need to be playing by the same rules.

I respectfully disagree.

How can you successfully co-manage when you clearly have two different agendas? It's simply not possible and history has proven that.

And why would We OR Indians want to with the way the WDFW manages game? If i was Indian i wouldn't want to join the love fest for predators that the WDFW seems to push...

[Green broke]

It's a one sided fight, the Indians have nothing to fight for. They have everything they want, they will never lose the rights they have. Our frustrations are probably not even on their radar, they could give two chits what we think. I bet they laugh their butts off when they have a pow pow about this subject.

I think I started a thread that would be to the contrary.  We need to co manage, period.  It's a shared resource regardless of what opinions individuals hold.  We do care and are taking action.

But in order to co-manage we all need to be playing by the same rules.

I respectfully disagree.

and that is the whole reason we are debating and why we have bad blood between us....... You guys don't want to play by the same rules! That's just a bit racist to me!

View it as you see fit.  I will continue to work for effective management of a shared resource.

To imply it's a shared resource implies it's available equally.

As in a 50/50 split?

[snowpack]

I respectfully disagree.

and that is the whole reason we are debating and why we have bad blood between us....... You guys don't want to play by the same rules! That's just a bit racist to me!

Seriously, why would the tribes want to rewrite a contract that is more or less working for them?  Especially when the new version would make them subject to the BS we all have to go through.  Why would they want to have to apply for 6 (or 20) years before being allowed to shoot a bull?  Or have to give up using hounds?  Or only having a 9 day season?
 

[turkeyfeather]

It's a one sided fight, the Indians have nothing to fight for. They have everything they want, they will never lose the rights they have. Our frustrations are probably not even on their radar, they could give two chits what we think. I bet they laugh their butts off when they have a pow pow about this subject.

I think I started a thread that would be to the contrary.  We need to co manage, period.  It's a shared resource regardless of what opinions individuals hold.  We do care and are taking action.

But in order to co-manage we all need to be playing by the same rules.

I respectfully disagree.

How can you successfully co-manage when you clearly have two different agendas? It's simply not possible and history has proven that.

And why would We OR Indians want to with the way the WDFW manages game? If i was Indian i wouldn't want to join the love fest for predators that the WDFW seems to push...

I didn't say anything about WDFW. I think if sportsman of all races agreed on a set of standard playing rules we  would have the authority to force WDFW to listen and not do as they please.

[Green broke]

It's a one sided fight, the Indians have nothing to fight for. They have everything they want, they will never lose the rights they have. Our frustrations are probably not even on their radar, they could give two chits what we think. I bet they laugh their butts off when they have a pow pow about this subject.

I think I started a thread that would be to the contrary.  We need to co manage, period.  It's a shared resource regardless of what opinions individuals hold.  We do care and are taking action.

But in order to co-manage we all need to be playing by the same rules.

I respectfully disagree.

How can you successfully co-manage when you clearly have two different agendas? It's simply not possible and history has proven that.

And why would We OR Indians want to with the way the WDFW manages game? If i was Indian i wouldn't want to join the love fest for predators that the WDFW seems to push...

Special T you are spot on.  That's one thing I see with the wdfw, their commission is big on reintroduction and watchable wildlife.

[trophyhunt]

It's a one sided fight, the Indians have nothing to fight for. They have everything they want, they will never lose the rights they have. Our frustrations are probably not even on their radar, they could give two chits what we think. I bet they laugh their butts off when they have a pow pow about this subject.

I think I started a thread that would be to the contrary.  We need to co manage, period.  It's a shared resource regardless of what opinions individuals hold.  We do care and are taking action.

But in order to co-manage we all need to be playing by the same rules.

I respectfully disagree.

and that is the whole reason we are debating and why we have bad blood between us....... You guys don't want to play by the same rules! That's just a bit racist to me!

View it as you see fit.  I will continue to work for effective management of a shared resource.

To imply it's a shared resource implies it's available equally.

As in a 50/50 split?

really? A 50/50 split? How big is the population difference? We are talking about playing by the same rules.

[Green broke]

It was just a question.