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mandatory minimus are fine but it ignores the ability of the prosecutor to plea down like what happend in the example.

I dislike treating symptoms of the problem and would like to deal with the root.
FACT Every department is strapped for cash, right wrong or indifferent.
FACT Wildlife violations are viewed as victim less crimes.

You have 2 different hurdles to over come IMO 1 Jail time will be reserved for really bad guys... In skagit county they are/were only accepting DUI or fellonly to be accepted at the jail... LOTS of dirtbags were given a swat on the wrist or just let go.
2 How do you penalize some one financially that does not the assets to squeeze? The best example from the book are the 2-3 crack heads Todd was buying eagle stuff from over in the Yakima valley... They are broke, have no real assets, and won't go to jail... How do you penalize people like that?

You might argue that Home detention, or community service can be some kind of penalty because it takes their time, but in reality even that is a slap on the wrist... Additionally how do you deal with those who skip on  doing Community Service or whatever...

Unfortunately this book and its followup discussions show that our court system is an illusion. A paper tiger. The only people it can and will keep inline are those of us who have assets, can't miss work, or generally responsible citizens that make mistakes, or errors in judgement...

If your irresponsible, have no assets, little income... What can the court system do to you? Apparently nothing...
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couldn't agree with you more jackmaster.
thank you, i figure it will piss people off but oh well,  it irritates me that some could think that this was b orderline entrappment, thats friggin nuts, the scud bottom vagrant was told time and time again how illegal it was and he often responded with that he was fully aware of how illegal it was, you can say well we are only getting one side of the story, so what, what does U.C have to gain by embellishing the truth?????? not a damn thing, he is the one putting it out there, so many people cry and complain about needing someone to step up, well someone has, he should get nothing but support until he proves otherwise :tup:

Thanks Jackmaster, but now my 2 cents worth.  It's easy to blame defense attorneys when things don't go the way we want, but believe me when I say; they are just doing the jobs they are paid to do.  Normally when cases go bad for the state/prosecutor, it is because either the case wasn't that solid to begin with, or the prosecutor screwed up.  I will use the Bona case as an example.  I don't in anyway blame Bona's defense attorney, he was just doing the best job he could.  I do, however, blame the prosecutor and the judge.  The prosecutor should have been prepared to go to trial if need-be, instead of working so hard for a plea deal, and the judge had every opportunity on earth to put the man behind bars.  They dropped the ball, not the defense attorney.
Also; please don't make the mistake of thinking defense attorneys always agree with or like their clients.  They are people too, and often times they are shocked and repulsed by what their client has done.  It's just the way the system works.
I have done some international travelling in my years, and despite the problems our legal system has, we still have the best system I have seen in the world.

I have learned over the years, that defense attorneys (even though they work hard to punch holes in our cases) are not the enemy, and they very often are the best one's at telling us how to improve our cases, so they can't find those holes to punch.
i see your points very well UC, i guess its sometimes easier to push blame on the people who defend people like that, i really wish there was a way for the WDFW to have their own legal team that thats all they do is put away dirt bags like BONA, of course it would take better leadership from the very top to put that in place and make it run like its suppose to, i beleive its the only way to truly hammer the scud bottom vagrants that would do the things that piece of garbage has done :tup:
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Defense lawyers are in a very tough position. They can truly believe their client to be guilty or actually know but it is their duty to defend the client without bias and to the best of their ability. Not sure I could sleep at night if I knew that I got a guilty party a much lesser charge or even acquitted. The only solace would be knowing that I did my job, and I did it well.  :twocents:
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mandatory minimus are fine but it ignores the ability of the prosecutor to plea down like what happend in the example.

I dislike treating symptoms of the problem and would like to deal with the root.
FACT Every department is strapped for cash, right wrong or indifferent.
FACT Wildlife violations are viewed as victim less crimes.

You have 2 different hurdles to over come IMO 1 Jail time will be reserved for really bad guys... In skagit county they are/were only accepting DUI or fellonly to be accepted at the jail... LOTS of dirtbags were given a swat on the wrist or just let go.
2 How do you penalize some one financially that does not the assets to squeeze? The best example from the book are the 2-3 crack heads Todd was buying eagle stuff from over in the Yakima valley... They are broke, have no real assets, and won't go to jail... How do you penalize people like that?

You might argue that Home detention, or community service can be some kind of penalty because it takes their time, but in reality even that is a slap on the wrist... Additionally how do you deal with those who skip on  doing Community Service or whatever...

Unfortunately this book and its followup discussions show that our court system is an illusion. A paper tiger. The only people it can and will keep inline are those of us who have assets, can't miss work, or generally responsible citizens that make mistakes, or errors in judgement...

If your irresponsible, have no assets, little income... What can the court system do to you? Apparently nothing...

Well said, and to make matters worse, mandatory sentencing often leads to plea agreements to a lesser charge all together.  For example, if we pushing through mandatory sentencing for unlawful trafficking in wildlife (a felony) you would likely see a lot of those cases dropped down to unlawful possession of wildlife (a gross misdemeanor).  There really is no simple solution....unfortunately. 

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Here is an interview I did with Northwestern Outdoor Radio.  The host of the show is a great guy, but told me he is a friend of WDFW Chief Crown.

The only thing he said, which I disagree with, is that I bashed WDFW enforcement in my book. I did not bash all officers, just those who put themselves above resource protection or those who don't do the job they are paid to do.
 
The interview starts at the 6:30 mark (6 minutes and 30 seconds into the show).
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImfuACF6U5Y

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Re: OPERATION CODY- An undercover investigation into WA's commercial poaching
« Reply #260 on: December 17, 2014, 08:36:30 AM »
Just finished this book, Congratulations of the success of the operation despite being hamstrung by the administration.  Unfortunately this book only helps to confirm my feeling that Washington has the worst fish and wildlife agency in the nation!!!  Not the officers in the field doing the real work but the administration as a whole.  The book was a great read and hard to put down, however I was pissed off every time I read it because of the confirmations of what I have believed for years.  Thanks again for your hard work and putting the truth of the entire operation out there!!!

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Re: OPERATION CODY- An undercover investigation into WA's commercial poaching
« Reply #261 on: December 17, 2014, 09:14:19 AM »
I read the book and passed it along to a friend who is currently a county deputy with aspirations to be a game warden.  Sadly, I have tried to persuade him to stay on as a deputy.  He is too resource oriented, altruistic and idealistic to survive a career starting now as a modern day game warden. 
As long as we have the habitat, we can argue forever about who gets to kill what and when.  No habitat = no game.

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Re: OPERATION CODY- An undercover investigation into WA's commercial poaching
« Reply #262 on: December 17, 2014, 09:40:36 AM »
I read the book and passed it along to a friend who is currently a county deputy with aspirations to be a game warden.  Sadly, I have tried to persuade him to stay on as a deputy.  He is too resource oriented, altruistic and idealistic to survive a career starting now as a modern day game warden.

Boy, ain't that the truth. :tup:
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Re: OPERATION CODY- An undercover investigation into WA's commercial poaching
« Reply #263 on: December 17, 2014, 09:43:08 AM »
Here is an interview I did with Northwestern Outdoor Radio.  The host of the show is a great guy, but told me he is a friend of WDFW Chief Crown.

The only thing he said, which I disagree with, is that I bashed WDFW enforcement in my book. I did not bash all officers, just those who put themselves above resource protection or those who don't do the job they are paid to do.
 
The interview starts at the 6:30 mark (6 minutes and 30 seconds into the show).
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImfuACF6U5Y

Dont give up keep doing interviews and spreading the word. Its REALLY hard to stir things up in this state But every time you do you shine a little truth on a bad system that needs corrective action.
In archery we have something like the way of the superior man. When the archer misses the center of the target, he turns round and seeks for the cause of his failure in himself. 

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Re: OPERATION CODY- An undercover investigation into WA's commercial poaching
« Reply #264 on: December 17, 2014, 12:15:22 PM »
Just finished this book, Congratulations of the success of the operation despite being hamstrung by the administration.  Unfortunately this book only helps to confirm my feeling that Washington has the worst fish and wildlife agency in the nation!!!  Not the officers in the field doing the real work but the administration as a whole.  The book was a great read and hard to put down, however I was pissed off every time I read it because of the confirmations of what I have believed for years.  Thanks again for your hard work and putting the truth of the entire operation out there!!!

Thanks, and if you haven't already done so, please get back on Amazon and write a review of the book.
I appreciate your support and comments.

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Re: OPERATION CODY- An undercover investigation into WA's commercial poaching
« Reply #265 on: December 17, 2014, 12:17:51 PM »
I read the book and passed it along to a friend who is currently a county deputy with aspirations to be a game warden.  Sadly, I have tried to persuade him to stay on as a deputy.  He is too resource oriented, altruistic and idealistic to survive a career starting now as a modern day game warden.

I wrote a letter to 50+ legislators detailing the wrong-doings in WDFW, and I ended it by saying; "What saddens me the most it that for 25+ years, when any young college student would ask me what it’s like to be a Fish and Wildlife Officer in Washington, I always answered; “It’s the best job on earth”.  Now, I (like many others) tell them to look elsewhere."   

So I would advise your deputy friend to look at Idaho or Montana

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Re: OPERATION CODY- An undercover investigation into WA's commercial poaching
« Reply #266 on: December 17, 2014, 12:18:47 PM »
Here is an interview I did with Northwestern Outdoor Radio.  The host of the show is a great guy, but told me he is a friend of WDFW Chief Crown.

The only thing he said, which I disagree with, is that I bashed WDFW enforcement in my book. I did not bash all officers, just those who put themselves above resource protection or those who don't do the job they are paid to do.
 
The interview starts at the 6:30 mark (6 minutes and 30 seconds into the show).
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImfuACF6U5Y

Dont give up keep doing interviews and spreading the word. Its REALLY hard to stir things up in this state But every time you do you shine a little truth on a bad system that needs corrective action.

Thanks, and I have not given up.  As a matter of fact I should have something new for all of you very soon.

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Re: OPERATION CODY- An undercover investigation into WA's commercial poaching
« Reply #267 on: December 17, 2014, 12:28:12 PM »
Good to hear. Hope you start seeing success in your endeavor. I know you have put a lot of hard work into it. Good luck!

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Re: OPERATION CODY- An undercover investigation into WA's commercial poaching
« Reply #268 on: December 17, 2014, 01:11:02 PM »
Finished the book about a month ago and it sure was eye opening (and not in a good way). Thanks ucwarden for your hard work and dedication despite being completely two-blocked by your management. I appreciate what you did and are doing. It was a fantastic read but made me sick.

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Re: OPERATION CODY- An undercover investigation into WA's commercial poaching
« Reply #269 on: December 17, 2014, 01:33:50 PM »
Does anyone have the book they would loan me to read?
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