Free: Contests & Raffles.
atleast shrek has taken some of the heat of RT...
What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand? Why is it frowned upon to hire a guide/outfitter that says I will find you a fair chase "400" bull for X amount, but yet its okay for us to hire Dale hoping to get the best bull "Bearpaw Outfitters" knows about? To me its the exact same, just at a higher level. We all go to the shows each year and see the hoards of outfitters pitching their hunts, with pics of past success, and dream. If we are there to hire someone for a upcoming hunt, we shop each one, getting their pitch and weighing each one according to their spiel and price. Do you book your hunt with the guy offering 250" bulls for $2500 or the guy offering 350" bulls for $5000? For a lot of guys it depends on their pocket book. How many of us really are DIY? I would argue that very few actually go out there by themselves, most will have someone with them, even if its for camaraderie, but technically not "DIY" Lets face it, even Ridgerunners would not have tagged his ram this year had it not been because he payed for a guide/outfitter that already knew where to look for them. Does that make his hunt any less meaningfull?.............NO! I should also mention I simply used Dale/Bearpaw for example because we all know who he is. I mentioned Ridgerunner similarly.
Quote from: huntnphool on September 23, 2013, 01:25:20 PM What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand? Why is it frowned upon to hire a guide/outfitter that says I will find you a fair chase "400" bull for X amount, but yet its okay for us to hire Dale hoping to get the best bull "Bearpaw Outfitters" knows about? To me its the exact same, just at a higher level. We all go to the shows each year and see the hoards of outfitters pitching their hunts, with pics of past success, and dream. If we are there to hire someone for a upcoming hunt, we shop each one, getting their pitch and weighing each one according to their spiel and price. Do you book your hunt with the guy offering 250" bulls for $2500 or the guy offering 350" bulls for $5000? For a lot of guys it depends on their pocket book. How many of us really are DIY? I would argue that very few actually go out there by themselves, most will have someone with them, even if its for camaraderie, but technically not "DIY" Lets face it, even Ridgerunners would not have tagged his ram this year had it not been because he payed for a guide/outfitter that already knew where to look for them. Does that make his hunt any less meaningfull?.............NO! I should also mention I simply used Dale/Bearpaw for example because we all know who he is. I mentioned Ridgerunner similarly.THIS IS THE INTERNET,.. AND YOU'RE WRONG!!
Quote from: BIGINNER on September 23, 2013, 01:30:46 PMQuote from: huntnphool on September 23, 2013, 01:25:20 PM What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand? Why is it frowned upon to hire a guide/outfitter that says I will find you a fair chase "400" bull for X amount, but yet its okay for us to hire Dale hoping to get the best bull "Bearpaw Outfitters" knows about? To me its the exact same, just at a higher level. We all go to the shows each year and see the hoards of outfitters pitching their hunts, with pics of past success, and dream. If we are there to hire someone for a upcoming hunt, we shop each one, getting their pitch and weighing each one according to their spiel and price. Do you book your hunt with the guy offering 250" bulls for $2500 or the guy offering 350" bulls for $5000? For a lot of guys it depends on their pocket book. How many of us really are DIY? I would argue that very few actually go out there by themselves, most will have someone with them, even if its for camaraderie, but technically not "DIY" Lets face it, even Ridgerunners would not have tagged his ram this year had it not been because he payed for a guide/outfitter that already knew where to look for them. Does that make his hunt any less meaningfull?.............NO! I should also mention I simply used Dale/Bearpaw for example because we all know who he is. I mentioned Ridgerunner similarly.THIS IS THE INTERNET,.. AND YOU'RE WRONG!!
All I wanted was to see a pic!?! Sometimes these threads get out of whack, I guess that's just the nature of the beast.
What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand?
Quote from: huntnphool on September 23, 2013, 01:25:20 PM What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand? It is not the hiring of a guide or paying trespass fees that I have an issue with...it is how the state allocates very limited resources that I am concerned with (i.e., branch bull tags). I think as many of us have stated if we had the money we would do the exact same thing...so I am not saying those who buy the governors tag or spend 20k on raffle tickets are doing anything wrong...they are playing by the rules and providing money to support habitat, research etc. I just think the "rules" need revised so premium tags are available to all sportsmen equally (those with and without deep pockets)...I know many will disagree, this is just how I see the issue. And again, I hold no ill-will towards those that pay for these tags...I wish I could do the same!! Maybe instead of an auction or a raffle give these tags as incentives to landowners who allow youth hunts or disabled hunts? Or save the eastside elk raffle tag for landowners that enroll in the FFTH program...every 50 (or 100..)?? acres a landowner enrolls in FFTH gets a raffle ticket for a coveted tag...that would be a real win-win...yea it would still be wealthy folks who own lots of land having the highest chance of getting a coveted tag but it would have direct and immediate impacts on the average hunters opportunity.
Quote from: huntnphool on September 23, 2013, 01:25:20 PM What is the difference between him paying tens of thousands to hunt and the rest of us paying a couple thousand? It is not the hiring of a guide or paying trespass fees that I have an issue with...it is how the state allocates very limited resources that I am concerned with (i.e., branch bull tags). I think as many of us have stated if we had the money we would do the exact same thing...so I am not saying those who buy the governors tag or spend 20k on raffle tickets are doing anything wrong...they are playing by the rules and providing money to support habitat, research etc. I just think the "rules" need revised so premium tags are available to all sportsmen equally (those with and without deep pockets)...I know many will disagree, this is just how I see the issue. And again, I hold no ill-will towards those that pay for these tags...I wish I could do the same!!
