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I've been doing Taxidermy for over 11 years.  I've been around the block more than a few times when it comes to cleaning skulls.  I have used just about every popular method there is to clean skulls.  I've boiled, simmered, used beetles, maggots, and have macerated.  I've whitened skulls in both straight 3%, 27% and 30% peroxide and also bleach.  I've used 40 Volume hair developer with the powder.  I've also used 30% peroxide mixed with a type of chalk powder and painted in on skulls. 

So when I give advice or directions on using a specific method or NOT using a specific method of skull cleaning its not something that I just read online and thought it sounded good.  When it comes to skull cleaning Maceration is the method I prefer and recommend for getting a Taxidermist quality skull.  Beetles are a close second.  Boiling, simmering and burying a skull in an anthill is by far at the end of my list.

There is absolutely no reason someone can't do a taxidermy quality skull on there own.  It will take more time then just boiling them out.  You will see the difference in the results and quality you get.  Boiling is an instant gratification  :twocents:.  People want it and want it now. 

There are taxidermists out there that still boil skulls.  It's a cheap way of cleaning a skull  :twocents:.  Even though they are boiled some can still look OK.  If that's good enough for you, that's fine.  I'm not criticizing.  If your happy with it, that's fine.  I'm just a lot more picky about what leaves my shop.  I have also seen a lot of people and a few taxidermists ruin skulls by boiling/simmering them.


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Boiling and Simmering.  Is one of the harshest skull cleaning methods that most people use.  The heat degrades the bone.  Causing the bone to break down.  Boil or simmer to long and it will cause the skull to become chalky and more delicate bone structures (nasal bones) to fall apart. It also causes grease to leach into the bone.  Making it harder to degrease.  It can also cause teeth to crack due to extreme temperature changes, especially when using a hose to rinse the skull off.   

Some of the chemicals people use in the water that they boil the skulls in only makes things worse.  Especially when they start mixing chemicals!  Powdered laundry soap, Simple green, Purple power, Bleach, Borax, Dawn dish soap, and many other degreasers.

Burying in an ant hill.  Depending on how long you leave the skull in the dirt it is exposed to the acids and minerals in the soil causing discoloration of the bone and can be super difficult to get out.  Not to mention the color loss of the antlers due to rain, sun, and the minerals and acids in the soil.  Keep a close eye on where you put it because it is not past squirrels and other rodents to chew on the antlers and bone.  If they get to it before a dog, cat, coon, possum, or some other animal gets to it and either chews it up of drags it off.

Beetles.  They are a great way to clean skulls.  Depending on the size of the skull and how hot a colony is it can take anywhere from just a few days to a month to clean all the meat off.  The one thing you have to deal with is getting all those annoying beetle casings out of the skull and nasal area.  It you don't get them all out it's not going to really hurt anything.  To me it is just annoying to listen to them rattling around in there.

Maceration.   By far my favorite method.  Bear and Deer Skulls typically take 6-8 days to clean all the way.  Elk and Moose take roughly 8 - 14 days.  The more meat, eyes and brain you remove off the skull the quicker it will clean.  All your using in the process is a container of water deep enough to cover the skull, fish tank heater capable of keeping the water at between 75-95 degrees, and the skull. 


Degreasing

Purple power, Simple green, Formula 409, Ammonia, and other chemicals used for degreasing.  A lot of chemicals I have heard of people using I am not 100% sure what these chemicals do as far as degreasing.  The danger is what are these chemicals doing to you when you add them to boiling water and your breathing in the fumes.  Compounding the problem is when your mixing these chemicals.  What are they creating?  A corrosive that is breaking down your skull?  Who knows.  If you read the warning label on most chemicals they warn against mixing them.

Dawn Dish Soap.  Is what I use to degrease my skulls.  It is a gentle way to degrease skulls.  It takes a little longer than boiling but it's not doing damage to your skull kept at a lower temperature (80 - 120 degrees).  It can take anywhere from 3 weeks to 6 months to degrease a skull depending on the size, age, species, and time of year the animal was killed.


Whitening

Bleach.  Absolute worst thing you can use to try and whiten a skull.  Bleach is a harsh corrosive.  It breaks the bone down.  The skull will become chalky and brittle over time.  Because you can't neutralize bleach with water.  It will constantly work on the the skull.  Adding Bleach to boiling or simmering water when cleaning the skull only speeds up the break down.

Hair Developer.  Good stuff and works good.  There are different strengths and a lot of people don't know that.  They use the lower volume and it doesn't work as quick and they get frustrated.  I have used it in the past and it works well on large skulls you can't soak in peroxide.

10 Volume Hair Developer is 3% peroxide.
20 Volume Hair Developer is 6% peroxide.
30 Volume Hair Developer is 9% peroxide.
40 Volume Hair Developer is 12% peroxide.

3% Peroxide.  Same stuff you put on cuts and boo boo's.  It will whiten a skull.  It may take a little longer than using the stronger stuff but it is about the safest way to go.  It can take a couple days to fully whiten but it is also not as harsh on skulls.  You may have to change the peroxide if you are doing multiple skulls because it will weaken.

High % Peroxide.  (up to 35% Peroxide)  I use 30% peroxide.  It can be dangerous mishandled and I don't recommend just anyone using it.  If you spill it on your skin it WILL BURN YOU.  Splash it in your eye and you can go BLIND.  If you try and heat it in a pot it WILL EXPLODE! I ALWAYS wear gloves and eye glasses.  I am always careful when using it.  It's not a joke.   

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Re: So you want to clean your Skull this year!? Here is a little Info.
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2013, 01:46:17 AM »
Thank you.

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Re: So you want to clean your Skull this year!? Here is a little Info.
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2013, 07:14:08 AM »
Very cool Michelle, seeing as this is how you make a living its great that you're willing to share EXACTLY how to do it, as well as help and talk people through problems  :tup:

Hopefully this information will keep anyone from ruining their trophy this year

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Re: So you want to clean your Skull this year!? Here is a little Info.
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2013, 07:18:44 AM »
STICKIED!    Well done Michelle.    :tup:

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Re: So you want to clean your Skull this year!? Here is a little Info.
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2013, 07:34:16 AM »
Thank you.  I tried to boil my last one and it keeps breaking down every time it is touched.  I will try your method this time.
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Re: So you want to clean your Skull this year!? Here is a little Info.
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2013, 07:40:40 AM »
Great info, thanks Michelle! I'm planning on doing this if I'm lucky enough to kill a bull in this year. Hopefully I'll have a few days in camp to really clean up the skull before bringing it home and getting started.
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Re: So you want to clean your Skull this year!? Here is a little Info.
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2013, 08:13:01 AM »
Thanks for the tips, :tup:

I also recall a post of yours where you detailed the maceration process. Maybe a link to that thread could be useful here.

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Re: So you want to clean your Skull this year!? Here is a little Info.
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2013, 08:17:48 AM »
I am thinking about updating it if I have time.

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Re: So you want to clean your Skull this year!? Here is a little Info.
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2013, 11:44:14 AM »
Great info Michelle!

I have been doing skulls for over 30 years and have tried everything from ants, throwing them in the bay, boiling, mother nature, beetles etc.  I have been following Michelle's instruction on maceration for several years and can tell you that it is absolutely the BEST and easiest way to clean a skull, bar none!  Sure it stinks like hell bu not having to dig out the nasal cavity or use dentsl tools to pick away at stubborn flesh is well worth the smell.

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Re: So you want to clean your Skull this year!? Here is a little Info.
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2013, 11:48:30 AM »
What do you think on my skull from last year. (SHOULD have taken you up on your offer).  I never got to it.  Its been in the chicken coop (abandoned one) under cover.   Bugs have done alot of it, but some hide and crap still on it.   Should I bucket it, or just boil the damn thing. 

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Re: So you want to clean your Skull this year!? Here is a little Info.
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2013, 11:51:48 AM »
Macerate it!  put a little meat in with it to get things going and it should take care of it.  here is one that I had forgotten about and did after it had been sitting on top of the chicken coop roof for several years.  It was black when I started.

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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2013, 12:13:59 PM »
Is there a "Macerate for Dummies" process for those of us who really have no clue what that entails  :dunno:

Sounds interesting, and apparently the results are pretty darn good!
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2013, 12:37:51 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2013, 12:43:51 PM »
Thanks for the advice! I think I'll follow your instruction for my next one!


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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2013, 12:46:26 PM »
I'll give it a try PB.     

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Re: So you want to clean your Skull this year!? Here is a little Info.
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2013, 12:53:39 PM »
Macerate it!  put a little meat in with it to get things going and it should take care of it.  here is one that I had forgotten about and did after it had been sitting on top of the chicken coop roof for several years.  It was black when I started.


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I had a similar situation with an old dried up head.  Just threw it in a bucket of water with some scraps of raw meat and let is macerate for a few weeks and it came out clean.

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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2013, 02:14:48 PM »
I will also add that I followed all of Michelle's maceration instructions last winter for two buck skulls and they came out great.  If you can deal with the stink then maceration is the way to go.  One piece of advice I have from my experience is to not let the maceration water level cover up the antlers.  The antlers on the skulls I did were submerged about halfway in the maceration water and ended up adsorbing the smell associated with it.  Even after drying for several weeks the smell would still fill the house.  The skull gets deodorized when you whiten it.  I did some tests and figured out that washing the antlers in oxi-clean didn't affect the color or finish and helped with the smell a little.  Hope this helps someone learn from my experience and a big thanks to Michelle for the great write-ups and all of the advice given on here.   

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« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2013, 02:36:55 PM »
Just submerge the antlers in the dawn dish soap and water degreaser next time and that shoul deoderize them.

Just remember that submerging antlers in the maceration or degreaser can and will alter the color on racks.

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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2013, 03:25:57 PM »
Any suggestions to keep the peroxide/manceration/degreaser off the horns? Wrap them?


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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2013, 04:37:15 PM »
Nope.  No good way to do that.  Your just going to have to learn to touch up.  It's the nature of the beast.  The only thing you can do is keep as much out as you can.

Now on the whitening part what I do is find a container that will allow you to fill the peroxide to just bellow the burs.  them cover the rest of the exposed bone of the skull with paper towel.  Keep it wet.  It will wick the peroxide and whiten that area.

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Re: So you want to clean your Skull this year!? Here is a little Info.
« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2013, 08:19:25 AM »
Michelle, do you use the original blue colored Dawn when you are degreasing?  I used this for degreasing and noticed the skulls took on a slight blue color after degreasing for a couple weeks.  The color came out when I whitened, but this is why I was afraid to submerge the antlers while degreasing.

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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2013, 11:00:52 AM »
Thanks, ya I guess it's inevitable.


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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2013, 01:22:35 PM »
Yes blue dawn

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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2013, 10:32:32 PM »
How long do you leave volume 40 peroxide and basic white paste on the skull?

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« Reply #25 on: October 19, 2013, 10:54:40 PM »
Michelle can you please explain how you touch up the antlers after the color is altered from maceration. Thank you.

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Re: So you want to clean your Skull this year!? Here is a little Info.
« Reply #26 on: October 19, 2013, 10:59:55 PM »
Two questions:

1.  Why do you take off the bottom Jaw of the deer and elk?
2.  When doing bear or feline... can you do the whole skull including bottom jaw?  Or will they come apart in the bath?

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« Reply #27 on: October 19, 2013, 11:05:39 PM »
Two questions:

1.  Why do you take off the bottom Jaw of the deer and elk?
2.  When doing bear or feline... can you do the whole skull including bottom jaw?  Or will they come apart in the bath?

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I did a bobcat and the bottom jaw falls off. It will actually separate into two pieces. There will also be teeth that fall out too.

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« Reply #28 on: October 19, 2013, 11:14:49 PM »
 Yes, the jaw is only held on by muscle which melts away when you macerate.  The biggest thing is to watch out for on cats is teeth.  Those tiny little teeth will fall out and dissappear in nothing flat.  They are a fun puzzle to figure out which goes where. 

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« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2013, 01:06:25 AM »
How long do you leave volume 40 peroxide and basic white paste on the skull?

First round, 24 hours.  Rinse and let set in hot water for a good 15 minutes.  Pull out and let dry.  If not whute enough you can reapply and let set for 12 hours.  I would probably not to this more than 3 times.  First round 24 hours, if needed the second and third round 12 hours.

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« Reply #30 on: October 20, 2013, 01:07:56 AM »
Michelle can you please explain how you touch up the antlers after the color is altered from maceration. Thank you.

It's not really something I can describe.  each rack is different.  I use several things.  Laquer paint, oil paint, minwax floor stain, and a clear sealer.

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« Reply #31 on: October 20, 2013, 01:11:47 AM »
Two questions:

1.  Why do you take off the bottom Jaw of the deer and elk?
2.  When doing bear or feline... can you do the whole skull including bottom jaw?  Or will they come apart in the bath?

Thanks

Johnny

1.  Because Euros on antlered or horned game typically never has a bottom jaw on the finished mount.  Just as easy to pull it off.

2.  Bears, Cougar, Bobcat, Coyote, etc I always do with the bottom jaw.  I usually still separate them from the skull.  More of a personal preference.  Teeth will fall out and most of the time the bottom jaw will seperate in the middle.  No big deal.  Re attach and put teeth back in with glue.

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« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2013, 03:03:55 PM »
How long do you leave volume 40 peroxide and basic white paste on the skull?

First round, 24 hours.  Rinse and let set in hot water for a good 15 minutes.  Pull out and let dry.  If not whute enough you can reapply and let set for 12 hours.  I would probably not to this more than 3 times.  First round 24 hours, if needed the second and third round 12 hours.

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