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Okanogan Poaching Case
« on: October 28, 2013, 12:32:23 PM »
33 charges filed against 24 year old Colville Tribe member for poaching trophy bucks.  Sickening. 

http://nwsportsmanmag.com/editors-blog/33-charges-filed-against-tribal-man-in-okanogan-trophy-buck-poaching-case-atty-says-client-not-guilty/

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2013, 12:53:36 PM »
Pretty crazy! Think about all the does that would have been bred by those bucks and passing along their good genes. I just wish that things to this extent could be tried as more then just hunting violations and could be major felonies. I just hope that it doesn't turn into, state vs tribal and he ends up getting a reduced punishment. He should be in jail for years, not weeks or months.
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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2013, 01:08:05 PM »
Great to see that enforcement is trying to do something about this.  I can't imagine how often it really happens. Discusting for sure.
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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2013, 01:17:06 PM »
 This guy is a disgrace to his tribe and to all ethical hunters. He should be locked up for a long time. :bash: Sickening.
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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2013, 01:27:35 PM »
Unfortunately this happens a lot.  Above the white mans laws.  We all know not all tribal guys are like this, but sure doesn't help the perception.

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2013, 02:27:19 PM »
I'm surprised they filed charges...

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2013, 02:46:11 PM »
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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2013, 02:50:00 PM »
This will be an interesting one to follow.
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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2013, 02:59:27 PM »
This guy is a disgrace to his tribe and to all ethical hunters. He should be locked up for a long time. :bash: Sickening.

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2013, 03:04:43 PM »
 :bash: :bash: My buddy lives on Salmon Creek. Damnit!
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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2013, 03:19:50 PM »
Disgusting little punk. Of course it will go the direction of tribal privilege, otherwise there is absolutely no defense, although not much with. I think all hunting laws should be consolidated.  It seems like no one can discriminate for public services anymore so why should hunting be different?  Game is migratory and reservations should be treated just like private land where game regulations are concerned.  99% of tribal members are so removed from tribal tradition anymore that traditional use should no longer be any defense.  If you want to live in a wikiup and live a subsistence lifestyle than you might have a defense. Otherwise live like the rest of us and put up with the ridiculous game regs in this state.

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2013, 03:56:16 PM »
Of course it will go the direction of tribal privilege, otherwise there is absolutely no defense, although not much with.
Charged on 33 counts in Okanagon Superior Court, not tribal court.
Tribal "privilege" should not play a part in this.    Like I said, should.....  :rolleyes:

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2013, 04:13:01 PM »
Sounds like the defense might be getting the guy off on a technicality, though.  :bash:

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2013, 04:21:16 PM »
Sure as heII hope they dont. Throw the proverbial book at em! :violent1:
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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2013, 04:34:57 PM »
Well ..they picked the perfect photo of the dipsheet ///DAMN I AM GOOD  !!  Yep ...you are real good  :rolleyes: :bash:

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2013, 04:37:41 PM »
Sure as heII hope they dont. Throw the proverbial book at em! :violent1:

And then hang him with the literal rope!   :chuckle:

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2013, 04:42:06 PM »
These little sh!+stains were the talk of the town in oroville over the weekend... They better hope they get put away, or never show their faces in okanogan county ever again...

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2013, 05:12:40 PM »
I would use the guy for bear bait.  D bag!!!!

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2013, 05:14:10 PM »
Sure as heII hope they dont. Throw the proverbial book at em! :violent1:

And then hang him with the literal rope!   :chuckle:
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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2013, 05:15:19 PM »
Well ..they picked the perfect photo of the dipsheet ///DAMN I AM GOOD  !!  Yep ...you are real good  :rolleyes: :bash:
good and CENSORed!!!
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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2013, 05:36:27 PM »
2 poaching , waste of wildlife cases In the last week. Can't help but wonder if enforcement is ramping up, after the release of UC Wardens book, especially this case. :dunno:
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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #21 on: October 28, 2013, 05:45:42 PM »
2 poaching , waste of wildlife cases In the last week. Can't help but wonder if enforcement is ramping up, after the release of UC Wardens book, especially this case. :dunno:

Or it's modern hunting season so there's more going on, it's insane how busy they are in the clockum every year. Could be both though, who knows.
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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #22 on: October 28, 2013, 07:09:35 PM »
I'm surprised they filed charges...

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #23 on: October 28, 2013, 07:30:38 PM »
I wish they could do more to people like this! It's sad. Makes it hard for real hunters to find a trophy :'(
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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #24 on: October 28, 2013, 07:38:18 PM »
 :puke:  Unreal!

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #25 on: October 28, 2013, 08:10:19 PM »
WA should start to charge a fee by the inch of antler like other states for poaching. At least with an increase price tag attached to trophy animals, it might curb the cases of it happening.

After this civil action penalty is applied, the state can take an additional restitution penalty based on the formula, ((gross score – 100)² x $1.65)." Illegally shoot a 180-inch buck in Ohio will cost you $10,560 plus court costs, fines, and whatever the first restitution fee was that was assessed by the wildlife agency. That puts a whole new light on "cheap thrills."
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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #26 on: October 28, 2013, 08:18:20 PM »
WA should start to charge a fee by the inch of antler like other states for poaching. At least with an increase price tag attached to trophy animals, it might curb the cases of it happening.

After this civil action penalty is applied, the state can take an additional restitution penalty based on the formula, ((gross score – 100)² x $1.65)." Illegally shoot a 180-inch buck in Ohio will cost you $10,560 plus court costs, fines, and whatever the first restitution fee was that was assessed by the wildlife agency. That puts a whole new light on "cheap thrills."

Washington state does have an additional fine for "trophy" deer and elk. From page 75 of the 2013 Hunting regulations:

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Criminal Wildlife Penalty Assessment
In addition to criminal penalties, courts assess
a criminal wildlife penalty for conviction of
illegally killing or possessing: deer, elk, bear, or
cougar - $2,000; moose, antelope, bighorn sheep,
or mountain goat - $4,000; trophy deer (four or
more antler points on both sides, not including
eye guards), or elk (five or more antler points on
both sides, not including eye guards) - $6,000;
and mountain caribou, grizzly bear, or trophy
mountain sheep (3/4 curl or better) - $12,000.

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2013, 08:26:33 PM »
They really need to go after guys like this. Total disregard for the wildlife and he should have any hunting and fishing privileges revoked for his lifetime.
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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2013, 08:27:53 PM »
This guy is only allowed to hunt on the rez. already
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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2013, 08:28:44 PM »
He will skate by.   :bash: :bash: :bash:
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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #30 on: October 28, 2013, 08:47:19 PM »
Dont you know they can do what ever they want to and have nothing done to them

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #31 on: October 28, 2013, 09:33:47 PM »
He will get off! Hide and watch!  :bash:
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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #32 on: October 28, 2013, 09:41:53 PM »
I shouldn't have even read this, I'm getting heated. I hope I run into this piece of S one day.

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2013, 09:46:46 PM »
WHAT A PILLAR OF SOCIATY !

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2013, 09:56:53 PM »
WOW This really makes me sick. Not a sportsman should not be able to hunt ever again. Or in this case not hunt but have a opportunity to poach anything.
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« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2013, 09:59:21 PM »
I believe it is a felony if you commit more three, or more major game violations at the same time.  I could be wrong I am sure there is someone on here that could enlighten us.

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« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2013, 12:19:42 AM »
some people   :dunno:
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« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2013, 05:38:33 AM »
I happen to work in the court system and see these type (not this bad) cases.  I have never seen anyone get jail time.  They get fined and that's it.  Most of these idiots pay on an interest free fine, which ends up going to collections over time.  There really is no penalty for these folks.

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2013, 05:41:10 AM »
Well then its time to remove his privileges not that it would stop him anyhow.
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« Reply #40 on: October 29, 2013, 06:48:49 AM »
I believe it is a felony if you commit more three, or more major game violations at the same time.  I could be wrong I am sure there is someone on here that could enlighten us.

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Unlawful hunting of big game — Penalty.

(1) A person is guilty of unlawful hunting of big game in the second degree if the person:

     (a) Hunts for, takes, or possesses big game and the person does not have and possess all licenses, tags, or permits required under this title; or

     (b) Violates any department rule regarding seasons, bag or possession limits, closed areas including game reserves, closed times, or any other rule governing the hunting, taking, or possession of big game.

     (2) A person is guilty of unlawful hunting of big game in the first degree if the person commits the act described in subsection (1) of this section and:

     (a) The person hunts for, takes, or possesses three or more big game animals within the same course of events; or

     (b) The act occurs within five years of the date of a prior conviction under this title involving unlawful hunting, killing, possessing, or taking big game.

     (3)(a) Unlawful hunting of big game in the second degree is a gross misdemeanor. Upon conviction of an offense involving killing or possession of big game taken during a closed season, closed area, without the proper license, tag, or permit using an unlawful method, or in excess of the bag or possession limit, the department shall revoke all of the person's hunting licenses and tags and order a suspension of the person's hunting privileges for two years.

     (b) Unlawful hunting of big game in the first degree is a class C felony. Upon conviction, the department shall revoke all of the person's hunting licenses or tags and order the person's hunting privileges suspended for ten years.

     (4) For the purposes of this section, "same course of events" means within one twenty-four hour period, or a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts that are unlawful under subsection (1) of this section, over a period of time evidencing a continuity of purpose.


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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #41 on: October 29, 2013, 07:43:45 AM »
I grew up in a "Native Village" in Alaska, plenty of guys like this D-Bag out there.  He might get a fine :bash:
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« Reply #42 on: October 29, 2013, 11:00:34 AM »
Hang him high!!!

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #43 on: October 29, 2013, 02:52:54 PM »
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One, from September, was bragged up as killed with a 400-yard shot, which means with a rifle, and problematic because according to officers, the man wasn’t allowed to have firearms because of a prior domestic violence conviction.

what about this? this is a federal charge.

http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm01117.htm

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The following is the full text of an announcement that was sent by the Criminal Division to the United States Attorneys' Offices upon the passage of Title 18, United States Code, Section 922(g)(9) (the Lautenberg Amendment) in the fall of 1996. This provision amends the Federal Gun Control Act of 1968 by banning the possession of firearms by individuals convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
GUN BAN FOR INDIVIDUALS CONVICTED OF A MISDEMEANOR CRIME OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE -- 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(9)

The 1968 Gun Control Act and subsequent amendments codified at 18 U.S.C. § 921 et seq. prohibit anyone convicted of a felony and anyone subject to a domestic violence protective order from possessing a firearm. The intended effect of this new legislation is to extend the firearms ban to anyone convicted of a "misdemeanor crime of domestic violence."

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #44 on: October 29, 2013, 02:57:13 PM »
I happen to work in the court system and see these type (not this bad) cases.  I have never seen anyone get jail time.  They get fined and that's it.  Most of these idiots pay on an interest free fine, which ends up going to collections over time.  There really is no penalty for these folks.

VERY rare to see any type of jail time, heck even community service for fish and wildlife violations.

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Re: Okanogan Poaching Case
« Reply #45 on: October 29, 2013, 03:03:52 PM »
This certainly comes into play and given this is outside of tribal court I think it will get very interesting.

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In return, the state has agreed to notify the tribe when Fish and Wildlife officers plan to investigate cases on the Colville Indian Reservation. And, state Wildlife officers who catch tribal members violating one of six safety rules in an area known as the North Half will refer those cases to tribal officials instead of making an arrest or issuing a citation.

http://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2012/mar/01/colvilles-reach-agreement-with-state-over-hunting/

 


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