Timber wolves in 407 GMU

[DeArBuCK4me]

I have heard them in 418, but 407 is a real possibility too.  Low deer numbers would seem to be more of a wolf problem than a cougar (JMO).  Cougar may go 3-5 day without a meal and often they are solitary.  Dog pack has a lot of mouths to feed.  Either way the wolf numbers will increase in our state, too many voters on the westside love the majestic Gray wolf.........

Bears kill a lot of fawns. Yotes kill deer, and since Sierra Pacific won't allow anyone through the gates to hunt either, there are going to be predator kills. Cats are on the rise. I don't care what WDFW says! Yes, there are a few Greys in 418, (over the years, I've seen a few), and I wouldn't be surprised at a few in 407 in the foot hills and above. But there haven't been signs in the lowlands of 407.
 
-Steve

I hunted behind Sierra Pacific gates a month ago. Do you mean the gates are closed to vehicle traffic or closed for any traffic?

Just curious now---are you the guy who was yelling at us for taking out ATV up the hill on opening day of early season? all is cool if you are. I know you you said you were sorry later on.

[JackOfAllTrades]

When those portions of 418 were owned by Crown Pacific, we could drive/camp on that land for weeks at a time. Since those gates are closed, there's a LOT LES hunting going on in those units. Bears, Cats....  The varmints have been thriving on the deer and elk populations. I think that wolves in 407 is a stretch but I wouldn't be surprised that someone would catch glimpse of a wanderer in the eastern fringes. More realistic would be 437 or the park.  As far as any Timber Wolves in our state, I'd highly doubt it. DFW doesn't always do what we think should be correct, but that would be completely nutz!
 
-Steve

[undertoad]

Timber wolves and gray wolves are all the same species.

[Special T]

Undertoad, they may be the same SPECIES but not the same sub species. This is part of the big LIE that makes me  . It is claimed that Northern McKennsy Grey wolves are the SAME as the Native rocky Mt wolf... When the discrepancies are shown the USFS claims a wolf is a wolf!  YET right now Mexican RED wolves are considered a subspecies that need special protection in the SW. This double standard shows the agenda  IMO.

[Birddogman]

Undertoad, they may be the same SPECIES but not the same sub species. This is part of the big LIE that makes me  . It is claimed that Northern McKennsy Grey wolves are the SAME as the Native rocky Mt wolf... When the discrepancies are shown the USFS claims a wolf is a wolf!  YET right now Mexican RED wolves are considered a subspecies that need special protection in the SW. This double standard shows the agenda  IMO.

 

[BOWHUNTER45]

I am sure they are around ... Seen tracks in 418 and that was about 15 yrs ago  Way back in the sticks ,,,when I could actually go there 

[furiouzgeorge]

No yelling from me. If i had yelled i wouldnt have apologized because I would have been right!

All kidding aside, where my son and I were is closed to motor vehicles.

[Bob33]

Undertoad, they may be the same SPECIES but not the same sub species. This is part of the big LIE that makes me  . It is claimed that Northern McKennsy Grey wolves are the SAME as the Native rocky Mt wolf... When the discrepancies are shown the USFS claims a wolf is a wolf!  YET right now Mexican RED wolves are considered a subspecies that need special protection in the SW. This double standard shows the agenda  IMO.

Many consider them the same.

http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/rsg/profile.html?action=elementDetail&selectedElement=AMAJA01030

"Prior to European settlement, the gray wolf, sometimes called the timber wolf, inhabited most of North America south to at least 20° latitude (Mech 1995)."

http://www.nwf.org/wildlife/wildlife-library/mammals/gray-wolf.aspx

"The gray or timber wolf's story is one of the most compelling tales of American wildlife. "

http://www.timberwolfinformation.org/kidsonly/wolfweb/wolf1.htm

"Timber wolves, also called gray wolves, are the largest wild members of the dog family."

http://www.livescience.com/27909-wolves.html

"The gray wolf (Canis lupus lycaon), also known as the timber wolf, is the largest wild member of the dog family."


etc.

[undertoad]

Undertoad, they may be the same SPECIES but not the same sub species. This is part of the big LIE that makes me  . It is claimed that Northern McKennsy Grey wolves are the SAME as the Native rocky Mt wolf... When the discrepancies are shown the USFS claims a wolf is a wolf!  YET right now Mexican RED wolves are considered a subspecies that need special protection in the SW. This double standard shows the agenda  IMO.

 

I don't mean to be argumentative, but where I grew up in MN and WI, the terms "gray wolf" and "timber wolf" were both used  interchangeably and did not indicate any particular subspecies. The wolves were never really extirpated from those areas, so I believe that is correct usage of the two terms. If you mean some subspecies from the Mackenzie, then you should specify that. That is all I meant to point out.

[Special T]

Yes toad that is exactly what i mean... It seems the feds get to use the "sub species" argument when it fits their need, but ignore it when it does not. You have any idea what the fine is if you or I bring in an "Invasive Species" and let it into the wild?

[DeArBuCK4me]

If you work for the feds 0 but if we got caught.....
probably prison time plus fine.