Kind of neat

[AspenBud]

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2013/nov/24/ladiers-earn-national-top-dog-field-trial-title/

[bracer40]

Cool story. Nice to see locals win something like this.

[Sportfury]

Pretty cool. They live down the hill from me.

[pianoman9701]

Are they members of the forum?

[KFhunter]

“She was beautiful on point and a good hunting dog, but it was a while before she took off.”

something to remember huh?

[Happy Gilmore]

Very cool. Another local won the GSP National last year. Got first and third place. Larry lives in Badger Pocket now. Trains with Trina. Dan has nice dogs. Planted birds at a trail two years ago in Sunnyside for the club.

[wildweeds]

Schwerdt?

Very cool. Another local won the GSP National last year. Got first and third place. Larry lives in Badger Pocket now. Trains with Trina. Dan has nice dogs. Planted birds at a trail two years ago in Sunnyside for the club.

[Happy Gilmore]

Schwerdt?

Very cool. Another local won the GSP National last year. Got first and third place. Larry lives in Badger Pocket now. Trains with Trina. Dan has nice dogs. Planted birds at a trail two years ago in Sunnyside for the club.

Yes, Am National of some sort- not sure there are too many different ones in the Pointer world..lol- Retrievers have one and thousands of dogs compete to qualify. One big azz playoff. Pointers, national this, chukar national that, Ames here, championship series, bird dog challenge there.. Too many to keep straight.

[wildweeds]

Schwerdts thing was the english setter nationals which has a very low entry and is more of a stake for Jerrys kids,20-25 dogs entered is about the average for it,it's only 45 minutes and there's a bunch of nonsense monkey buisness with microchips and DNA on file in order to run in it.Larry's a nice guy but the dog he ran ain't that good when you compare it against the Palmers dog.Arnies about 8 years old and Max is YOUNG.Premium performance out of a young dog shows quality,continuing to campaign an older dog tells you one thing,it wasn't very good young and if it's still not gotten it's FC it's still not good,Trena still runs half a dozen dogs that are 7-10 years old that have nothing more than a derby placement or one broke dog placement.Theres a certain amount of luck in it and the amount of luck you need is far less with a stellar individual.

The parent club for the english is governed by and directed by women of the showring,bullheadedness is why the thing will continue to be considered a joke.

Schwerdt?

Very cool. Another local won the GSP National last year. Got first and third place. Larry lives in Badger Pocket now. Trains with Trina. Dan has nice dogs. Planted birds at a trail two years ago in Sunnyside for the club.

Yes, Am National of some sort- not sure there are too many different ones in the Pointer world..lol- Retrievers have one and thousands of dogs compete to qualify. One big azz playoff. Pointers, national this, chukar national that, Ames here, championship series, bird dog challenge there.. Too many to keep straight.

[jetjockey]

Schwerdt?

Very cool. Another local won the GSP National last year. Got first and third place. Larry lives in Badger Pocket now. Trains with Trina. Dan has nice dogs. Planted birds at a trail two years ago in Sunnyside for the club.

Yes, Am National of some sort- not sure there are too many different ones in the Pointer world..lol- Retrievers have one and thousands of dogs compete to qualify. One big azz playoff. Pointers, national this, chukar national that, Ames here, championship series, bird dog challenge there.. Too many to keep straight.

It's actually really easy.  On the AF side here is one, on the AK side there's 121, with 150 different formats.....   Oops.  I forgot, the GSP's have an AF Nationals and an AKC Nationals.  So hat makes 2 different AF Nationals.  Us the GSP's have An Amateur, Gun Dog, and All age Nationals..  Oh he'll, never mind, confuses the hell out of me as well..

With all that said, the Brittany Amateur Nationals started today in Booneville AR.  I don't think there are any dogs from WA but there's a couple from OR and ID entered.  There's 43 in the Amateur and 65 in the Open. 

[AspenBud]

Oops.  I forgot, the GSP's have an AF Nationals and an AKC Nationals.  So hat makes 2 different AF Nationals.  Us the GSP's have An Amateur, Gun Dog, and All age Nationals.. 

Shorthairs fall into a weird zone with regards to the field trial world. Their original purpose and how they were originally envisioned to be handled was not the same as that of Pointers and setters. In some ways I wish they were let into more than they are (like Ames) just to stop the griping. Half of them are "droppers" of a sort anyhow   , competing with traditional pointing dogs shouldn't be a problem for them.

[jetjockey]

Brits fall into a similar situation.  The Gun dog people who believe Brits were originally bred to be close working foot dogs, and the All age crowd breeding dogs to run over the hills.  Most of the Pro's skip the Brit Gun Dog Nationals to get ready for the All Age Nationals.  It doesn't help that the ABC hasn't nominated a Gun Dog for the Hall of Fame in many years.  The difference is that the Brit people have done a pretty good job not splitting the breed into AKC and AF, and Show dogs.  All our Championships are dual sanctioned by the AKC and AF and there is a huge push for the dual Ch dog as well.  While I'm not a show person, and don't really like the dual aspect, I can appreciate what they are trying to do.

[AspenBud]

Brits fall into a similar situation.  The Gun dog people who believe Brits were originally bred to be close working foot dogs, and the All age crowd breeding dogs to run over the hills.  Most of the Pro's skip the Brit Gun Dog Nationals to get ready for the All Age Nationals.  It doesn't help that the ABC hasn't nominated a Gun Dog for the Hall of Fame in many years.  The difference is that the Brit people have done a pretty good job not splitting the breed into AKC and AF, and Show dogs.  All our Championships are dual sanctioned by the AKC and AF and there is a huge push for the dual Ch dog as well.  While I'm not a show person, and don't really like the dual aspect, I can appreciate what they are trying to do.

I don't know, one could argue that there are some big differences between a Brittany that Ben O. Williams has bred versus Nolan's Last Bullet or K-DeL's Wanbli Owankiye in the Coverdog world or a dual champion Brittany.

The whole thing is a mess in this country because everyone has wanted to turn the versatiles into strictly bird dogs. That clashes heavily with various field trial traditions. If you skip across the pond you likely won't see shorthairs running in Pointer/setter trials. The training is different, the criteria judged is different, and the expectations are different. The same thing bubbles up here (look at Ames etc).

[wildweeds]

At a somewhat local level it does happen, Doc Favor runs his stubtails in the AF events,Hoke runs some too.Some years ago a snobby pointer owner Kate Stockwell Brown made a statement that was somewhat snotty about NFC Dunfers Where You Been and how her Miller pointer would make him look pretty bad when they got to the big hill.Guess what................ Ben was over the top while the pointer labored at the halfway up mark.I say let em run at ames too,you'll have a hard time getting by the current judging staff,  but they did put up a pointsetta last year,so if a half breed can win it anything is possible.

And the GSP's and the Britts both have national walking stakes too.

Oops.  I forgot, the GSP's have an AF Nationals and an AKC Nationals.  So hat makes 2 different AF Nationals.  Us the GSP's have An Amateur, Gun Dog, and All age Nationals.. 

Shorthairs fall into a weird zone with regards to the field trial world. Their original purpose and how they were originally envisioned to be handled was not the same as that of Pointers and setters. In some ways I wish they were let into more than they are (like Ames) just to stop the griping. Half of them are "droppers" of a sort anyhow   , competing with traditional pointing dogs shouldn't be a problem for them.

[Happy Gilmore]

Schwerdts thing was the english setter nationals which has a very low entry and is more of a stake for Jerrys kids,20-25 dogs entered is about the average for it,it's only 45 minutes and there's a bunch of nonsense monkey buisness with microchips and DNA on file in order to run in it.Larry's a nice guy but the dog he ran ain't that good when you compare it against the Palmers dog.Arnies about 8 years old and Max is YOUNG.Premium performance out of a young dog shows quality,continuing to campaign an older dog tells you one thing,it wasn't very good young and if it's still not gotten it's FC it's still not good,Trena still runs half a dozen dogs that are 7-10 years old that have nothing more than a derby placement or one broke dog placement.Theres a certain amount of luck in it and the amount of luck you need is far less with a stellar individual.

The parent club for the english is governed by and directed by women of the showring,bullheadedness is why the thing will continue to be considered a joke.

Schwerdt?

Very cool. Another local won the GSP National last year. Got first and third place. Larry lives in Badger Pocket now. Trains with Trina. Dan has nice dogs. Planted birds at a trail two years ago in Sunnyside for the club.

Yes, Am National of some sort- not sure there are too many different ones in the Pointer world..lol- Retrievers have one and thousands of dogs compete to qualify. One big azz playoff. Pointers, national this, chukar national that, Ames here, championship series, bird dog challenge there.. Too many to keep straight.

Tell us how you really feel Ernie..  Did Larry's dog only fetch you a roll of single ply when the crapper was empty?