Most Versatile Hunting Dog

[Happy Gilmore]

You have written checks to AKC? Let's see them

[Happy Gilmore]

Show me some akc run events? You've had plenty of time to search the internet for what you don't know anything about. You don't even train your own dogs but your all in the know about akc events yet must not contribute to working for your breed. Are you involved in putting on trials and running your own dogs? How many times have you run an event? Chaired an event? Done something to protect the field lines of the breed you run and promote?

[AspenBud]

Bud
   As far as the cancer goes in pointers,yeah its prevalant in the fiddler/fiddling rocky boy/Joe shadow/*censored* Tonk Attitude stuff,if you bear that in mind when you get a pup from that blood you really are not getting cheated out of nothing if you know.They for #1 Mature very fast,Perform very good at a young age and near as I can tell while still derby aged have more skillset and talent that dogs a couple years older than them.Comparing it that way to have a dog that performs like a 6 year old at less than 2 that succumbs early at say 8 years old is still a better performer than his counterpart 5-6 year old.

I can add some lines/names to that list. But God help you for bringing it up in some circles. People don't want to talk about it or deny it.

I can, however, think of some lines that live a good long while and produce starting at a young age in the manner you describe. But they are not all H0nky Tonk, Fiddler, Miller, Elhew, etc. I think a lot of guys have fallen into the trap of inbreeding or tap dancing on the line too much, Bob Wehle did it after all, but you can bet Wehle also culled a lot to get what he wanted. Something that most breeders, many of whom don't have the resources (money, land, time) that Wehle had, don't or can't do.

[pens fan]

Happy, I got into UKC only because i dont have the time or money to travel out of state for every Boykin Spaniel event there is.
That, plus I promised a guy in Wisconsin I would get this dog his started title.
I do enjoy the events, and they are not so uptight as AKC events. Also, even though the HRC events are still a bit of what I call unrealistic hunt tests, AKC is even further from my tastes. Its just a personal thing, like why some people prefer pointer hunting over flushing.
I wont even run any of my dogs in HRC upland tests because i dont want my flusher to sit on the flush. Some people think its a great thing and shows....something. Whatever. Not my thing.

[pens fan]

Stupid phone. Missed a bunch.
I am still intetested in UKC or HRC...i dont care what it is...hunt tests because its fun. I dont feel the stress like i felt at the AKC tests. People there are argumentative and uptight. And not very helpful. That was my observation, catalyzed with testemonials from other people who switch back and forth, and if there's a stink being raised at the test.....you can guess who's making it.

[jetjockey]

Happy.  I don't know why you argue with me about pointing dog events and trials.  Here's a picture of the premium.  See where it says make checks out to AKC Gun Dog Championships?  I've also included the entry.  Who's name is ontop?  Yep, it's AKC.
Like I've said before, you might know a lot about retrievers, but you don't know squat about pointing dogs.  Also read the entry.  See where it says Club?  What's it say?  Who's the club?

As far as me running my dog, that's another thing you don't understand.  Unless a person is retired, independently wealthy, or has a job they can take with them on the road, there is no way for a working class person to run a dog on the circuit without the dog being with a Pro.  My dog started the fall off in Nebraska, then ran in Iowa, then Kansas, followed by Tennessee, Missouri, and finished up in Arkansas.  All the trials except one, were 1 hour trials ran during the week.   When I can, I get out and run her,  which included the Amateur Nationals this year.  I currently need one point to finish her AFC, and the biggest hurdle, the two required wins, are in the bag.  Pointing dog trials work differently than retriever trials.  That's just something you will eventually have to learn.

[pens fan]

Jet, i agree with your comments about being in a pro circuit and not being rich and or retired. Exactly why i can afford the HRC events.
As far as AKC and all that...we got way off topic of the most versatile pointers.
Happy has invested interest in the AKC, and if he is happy  about it, no sense in going into the contraries on this thread.
Lets get back to pointers. And Boykins....
As Phil Robertson says, " happy. Happy.happy."

[rosscrazyelk]

Boykin spaniel.  I have only owned 3 Bird dogs in my life and my Boykin  is the most versatile dog I have ever seen.

[Happy Gilmore]

The AKC Performance Events Department selected the Nebraska Field Trial Association (NFTA) as the host for the 2013 AKC Pointing Breed Gun Dog Championship that will be held at the Branched Oak Dog Trail Area at Raymond, NE (near Lincoln, NE).
The event will kick off on Saturday, March 16, 2013. There will be two Championship stakes (retrieving and non-retrieving) plus an Open Derby Classic. A portion of the event’s proceeds will support the NFTA’s effort to maintain and improve the Branched Oak Dog Trial Area leased from the Nebraska Games and Parks Commission (NGPC).


No vested interest. It's just the way it works. Clubs put on AKC events. Not the AKC. Above is from the premium on the AKC website.

[jetjockey]

Apple doesn't actually make an IPhone.  It's some Chineese dude who works for a seperate company in China.  Yet, it's still an Apple IPhone.   

Who ever you write the check too, is who puts on the event.  The funny thing is Happy said AKC is ONLY a breed registry, yet by his above post, he admits the AKC has a performance department.  I wonder what the Performance Department has to do with breed registry?  Like Happy said, the AKC picked the NFTA to run the event.  The NFTA is an AKC Club, which means the AKC picked one of their clubs to run the event.  In other words, It's an AKC event, and that's why you write the check to the AKC, and not the NFTA. 

The NFTA ran the event, they didn't put on the event.

Just keep thinking the AKC is the end all be all for pointing dogs Happy. That way when someone tells you their English Pointer is an AKC Pointer National Champion, you will be really impressed!

[Shannon]

I'll stand by my statement that I'm glad my breed of choice is not recognized by AKC and that they have ruined some breeds of dogs. I'm not going to get into the bickering but if there are any comments on the original post I'm interested in those and would like to continue that discussion.

[Happy Gilmore]

Apple doesn't actually make an IPhone.  It's some Chineese dude who works for a seperate company in China.  Yet, it's still an Apple IPhone.   

Who ever you write the check too, is who puts on the event.  The funny thing is Happy said AKC is ONLY a breed registry, yet by his above post, he admits the AKC has a performance department.  I wonder what the Performance Department has to do with breed registry?  Like Happy said, the AKC picked the NFTA to run the event.  The NFTA is an AKC Club, which means the AKC picked one of their clubs to run the event.  In other words, It's an AKC event, and that's why you write the check to the AKC, and not the NFTA. 

The NFTA ran the event, they didn't put on the event.

Just keep thinking the AKC is the end all be all for pointing dogs Happy. That way when someone tells you their English Pointer is an AKC Pointer National Champion, you will be really impressed!

LOL, you just don't get it. The club PAYS the AKC an event fee to hold an AKC sanctioned event. The entries are written to the club. The club manages the money. I've run quite a handful of AKC hunt tests and I'm chairperson for next years trial. I have a little bit of an understanding of who gets paid, how the money flow works and how AKC is involved. 99% of retriever clubs use Entry Express for paying entry fees. I believe a Brittany club recently used them for a trial. I've also seen a few cocker etc clubs use it. Money goes to the club once the entry is closed. They cut a check to the club. That's usually when the clubs pay their bird suppliers, workers etc.
You want the Performance Dept. managers cell number? I have it if you'd like to call and ask how many trials a year he puts on... lol..

[jetjockey]

Yet you write the check to the AKC?  Happy, your missing the point.  You said the AKC is a breed registry, and that's it.  It's obvious based on these posts, that the AKC is much more than a breed registry.  While they don't directly run trials, indirectly they do.  So you have the ABC, or NGSPA (or whatever the AKC version is) run in trials, it's still the AKC.  They just pick which club is going to run the trial for them.  At the end of the day though, it really doesn't matter.  In the pointing dog world the AKC is considered a second rate citizen to the American Field.  That's what you can't seem to comprehend.  You've never Jenn able to comprehend that.  Heck, I can research the post where you didn't even know what AF was if you'd like.  Your a Retiever guy, who knows nothing about pointing dogs. You can argue simantics all your like, but at the end of the day, the AKC GD Nationals is put on by the AKC.  I don't care who they pick to run the trial, it's an AKC trial at the end of the day.  The same AKC who supposedly is only a breed registration.  The same AKC you write a check to for your entry fee, and the same AKC who registers the wins. 

Tell me, here's the placements for a trial.  Who deserves the credit for putting the trial on?  What did the ribbons say? 

http://www.remekvizslas.net/showTrialResults.php4?id=60181

[wildweeds]

Shannon,

I'm wondering something about cedarwoods pudels, did he take over for  Bodil Winderhelt(my spelling of both first and last name is more than likely off) ?

I'll stand by my statement that I'm glad my breed of choice is not recognized by AKC and that they have ruined some breeds of dogs. I'm not going to get into the bickering but if there are any comments on the original post I'm interested in those and would like to continue that discussion.

[Shannon]

Wildweeds,
He didn't take over for Bodo he just got some of his first breeding stock from him 30 years ago. I'm going off of memory here so don't take it as gospel, but a doctor along with Bodo were the first to breed pudelpointers here in the US. The doctors line was called Birchwoods. Some of Bob's first breed stock was from that line also. Bodo was breeding dogs until last year. I think he died this last summer. Bodo started NAVHDA and then left that and started the PCNA for testing. Bob stayed with NAVHDA for testing because the PCNA only tested in Oregon and California mostly and he lives in Idaho.