Hoyt Spyder Turbo or BowTech Insanity

[xXLojackXx]

I'm looking into another bow set up, ultimately looking for speed and KE with hunting weight arrows (400+ grains). Two bows that have caught my eye are the Hoyt Carbon Spyder Turbo and the BowTech Insanity. The Hoyt would be in the 70-80lb draw weight with a 29" draw, and the Insanity IBO's 15fps faster but I'm not a previous BowTech owner and therefore unfamiliar with their bows. So, before I go and shoot them, I'm interested in hearing what the USERS of these bows have to say (pros & cons). Please don't start a pissing match here guys, and don't argue what others have to say about their bows 

[Wa hunter]

Bowtech. 

[xXLojackXx]

Bowtech.

That explains a lot 

[KimWar1911]

What Wa hunter said!

[elkoholic1]

Bowtech.

BOWTECH!!!   

[D-Rock425]

Don't pay attention to these bowtech guys.  Go with what fits you go shoot them both see what one you like better. 

[Russ McDonald]

I am tagging this because I have gone from the Hoyt/Reflex to a Bowtech.

[D-Rock425]

 

[Russ McDonald]

How did I know you were going to chime in.  but D-Rock425 is right.  Go shoot them and see what fits you the best.  I like the Bowtech so far. Nice smooth draw and very quiet compared to my Hoyt and my Hoyt is pretty quiet.

[whackmaster]

I am tagging this because I have gone from the Hoyt/Reflex to a Bowtech.

Got to love this BOWTECH gets my vote

[D-Rock425]

All of you FOOLS

[xXLojackXx]

I shot Hoyt for 8 years and switched to Mathews after shooting the Z7 Magnum. It's one of the smoothest bows I've ever shot. I am curious if the Insanity will be as smooth with the extra 15 fps.

[Russ McDonald]

I shot Hoyt for 8 years and switched to Mathews after shooting the Z7 Magnum. It's one of the smoothest bows I've ever shot. I am curious if the Insanity will be as smooth with the extra 15 fps.

My Hoyt is over 5 years old and set maxed out at 76 lbs of draw.  I noticed on the Bowtech set maxed at 63lbs feels like a heavier draw.  Maybe that is the difference in a cam and a half on the Hoyt to single cam on the Bowtech.  I surely got more speed in the Bowtech then the Hoyt.  I shot the Spyder 34 last year.  That was a nice shooting bow.  I got my Bowtech on a great trade deal with a fellow member.  I couldn't pass it up.

[demontang]

I love my insanity its smooth and very quite. I havent got to shoot the new hoyte yet so

[xXx Archery]

the new 2014 bowtech is faster...the Insanity is gone for 2014

[xXLojackXx]

the new 2014 bowtech is faster...the Insanity is gone for 2014

Are you referencing the new Destroyer?

[demontang]

I really want to see what bowtech has this year

[blackveltbowhunter]

  You seem to have answered your own question. If raw speed is your goal the insanity at 80lbs is your baby. Or you could shoot the PSE full throttle at 70lbs and compare speeds. Between the two you listed,  I would get the Hoyt. I have shot both. To me the carbon turbo blows the insanity away in shootability and quality. I believe the shootability and draw cycle would be amplified at 80lbs. But it is slower.

[blackveltbowhunter]

My bad... Poor reading comprehension on my part. you are comparing the spyder turbo, not carbon spyder. I have shot that bow as well. My decision wouldnt change, although I didn't like spyder turbo as much as the carbon turbo.

[xXLojackXx]

I don't believe the Insanity is offered in 80lb draw weight. I'm curious as to which 2014 BowTech is faster than the Insanity....?

[Russ McDonald]

http://www.bowtecharchery.com/#/home?r=-1&i=0  The 2014 line comes out 

[xXLojackXx]

Shot the Insanity CPX today @ 70lbs and 29" draw. With the heavy generic arrows (455gr) and the whisker biscuit ( ) they threw on it, it was getting 305 fps. Not too shabby at all. It has more vibration than my Z7 Mag and more of a hump to the draw cycle not being a solo cam. But the wall was rock solid and the let off felt great. All in all, pretty impressed with how it shot for a 355 IBO bow.

[atc250r18]

I just shot my insanity through a chrono (this thread prompted my actions), got 285fps with 390 gr GT Hunter pro XT's, with a 28.5 inch and 56lb draw (this is a slow by 5 compared to the IBO calculators).  The reason I went with this bow was the speed at the lower draw weights, the SOlid, solid back wall and the dead on shot feel.  After some shoulder surgery's I decided to hang up the 70+ lb draws, I shoot so much better and still faster than with my old hoyt (it was old, circa 2004).  For comparison, I shot my Assassin (IBO 333) with the same arrow, at 64lb draw and got 290fps, I shoot the insanity quite a bit better.

[xXLojackXx]

I just shot my insanity through a chrono (this thread prompted my actions), got 285fps with 390 gr GT Hunter pro XT's, with a 28.5 inch and 56lb draw (this is a slow by 5 compared to the IBO calculators).  The reason I went with this bow was the speed at the lower draw weights, the SOlid, solid back wall and the dead on shot feel.  After some shoulder surgery's I decided to hang up the 70+ lb draws, I shoot so much better and still faster than with my old hoyt (it was old, circa 2004).  For comparison, I shot my Assassin (IBO 333) with the same arrow, at 64lb draw and got 290fps, I shoot the insanity quite a bit better.

It should be well into the 300's with a 78lb draw and a 390 grain arrow. Smoker bow!

[countrystyle4life]

Bowtech all the way!!! I just traded in my Alpine for a 80 lb Insanity CPXL, thing freaking rocks! Also when I talked to the rep right before leaving for the ATA I was informed the the CPXL was staying in the line but the regular Insanity is being discontinued.  I wouldnt mess around with Hoyt. I shot Alpine for 4 years and have finally come to see the light   

[salmonslayer]

I have shot both.  I would go with Bowtech all the way.  In fact, my hunting partner shoots the 80lb Instanity CPX so I am quite familiar with it.  That bow is smoking fast.  He doesn't need to adjust his sight pins at all until beyond 40 yards.  Ridiculous.  At a 29'' draw it should perform really well for you and will blow the Turbo out of the water if you shoot each head to head.  But I will leave that up to you to decide...With that said, you WILL experience flaking of the paint finish on the limbs.  I don't care what any shop says, it will happen.  Who cares about scratches in the paint if the thing performs?  For what you describe, I would go go CPX and not look back.  The Spyder's arrows just didn't seem to whack the target like the CPX did.  The 80lb version of the CPX is no smooth pull, but it shoots.  so.  fast.

Also, fwiw, you might want to wait a few days...Bowtech has some sort of announcement coming on their new line. 

Full disclosure:  I own a Bowtech Destroyer 350 and an Elite Answer

[Come Get Some]

I have shot all of the bows . Why with the efficiency of the eccentrics available would anyone shoot a bow at 80 lbs. Force draw curve used to be a big issue. a severe force draw curve allowed the manufacturers to develope alot of energy from the wheels or cams Making the draw of the bow feel harder than it needs to be. The eccentrics have become so efficient that if you can not shoot between 60-70 lbs and successfully harvest any animal on the North American Continent you should shoot a rifle. It is a game of stalking and proper arrow spine weight and placement. Chronographs give you arrow speed at or near the bow. Light arrows although fast loose downrange speed and kenetic energy. 3D targets do not bleed or limp away. There is a happy medium between speed, trajectory and kenetic energy. A somewhat heavier arrow will fly flatter down range and not loose the valued kenetic energy.  I prefer the Hoyt Carbon element. It is very reliable, fast,light and extremely easy to tune.Hoyt has a good reputation and a solid product. All 3 of the top manufactures out there,(Hoyt,PSE and Mathews) all produce very good products. Bowtech, although not the top selling bow is a pretty good product for most bowhunters. Most look for speed. There is alot more to consider. You should choose a bow that YOU like and one that fits your style of hunting,competition and ability. Speed should not be the deciding factor. Alot of speed is hard to control. If you are have a good day you will shoot fine. If any little thing is off in your body chemistry or the tune of your bow, heavy clothing ,cold weather etc. your shooting will suffer. A good hunting speed is around 280 FPS, With the proper arrow weight and spine it is very controlable and efficient.
 If you are shooting 3D tournaments learn to judge distance correctly and shoot a stable consistant setup. It will improve your harvest rate and make you a more accomplished hunter.

[blackveltbowhunter]

Why with the efficiency of the eccentrics available would anyone shoot a bow at 80 lbs?..... Not everyone has a 31 inch draw length

[Come Get Some]

What exactly are you trying to say.?

[blackveltbowhunter]

I am saying if you want to shoot a heavier arrow but don't have the draw length to make up the speed; shooting heavier poundage is an option. 

[xXLojackXx]

I have a 29.5" draw and shoot 80 lbs because I want to. I'm in my late 20's, strong, in shape and can pull and hold 80lbs like most people can 60-70lbs. So why not? The extra poundage can't hurt and actually can only help.

Kind of like the guys that drive an F350 on 37" tires to the grocery store. It's not necessary to carry a gallon of milk, so why do it? Because they want to and can.

[Russ McDonald]

I have a 29.5" draw and shoot 80 lbs because I want to. I'm in my late 20's, strong, in shape and can pull and hold 80lbs like most people can 60-70lbs. So why not? The extra poundage can't hurt and actually can only help.

Kind of like the guys that drive an F350 on 37" tires to the grocery store. It's not necessary to carry a gallon of milk, so why do it? Because they want to and can.

Actually according to me wife those guys the drive those big trucks are compensating for other things   

[Come Get Some]

I am saying if you want to shoot a heavier arrow but don't have the draw length to make up the speed; shooting heavier poundage is an option.

Agreed, But Depending on that draw length there is a place where a heavier poundage  will not give you the added benefit. Speed also accounts for kenetic energy. If your draw length is 26-27" the Stifffer arrow is what is needed for proper spine at 80 LBS. There is a cross over point where the heavy arrow depending on draw length will be slower . There is not much you can do for too short of a draw length. IBO speeds are calculated at 30" and 70LBS. AMO speeds are 6 Grains per pound. Bow manufacturers do not like to warranty bows shot with below IBO rated arrow weights. It is also hard to get a properly spined arrow if you do not go heavy enough. Do not get me wrong. I shoot a very heavy arrow and believe it is a much more efficient way to kill any animal. There is no replacement for Kenetic energy. I am 55, 6'-2" and can pull an 80-90 lb bow easily. I have shot a TON of competition on the national level. Heavy poundage is very seldom an added benefit whether hunting or competing. You will hold a lighter poundage steadier no matter how young and strong you are. Draw length is definitely a deficit that is hard to overcome. It usually comes down to choice and you see alot of younger archers doing it just because they can,.
 Kind of like the joke about the Old bull and the young bull standing on the hill looking down at all of the heifers.

[whackmaster]

do you want your broadhead to stay in the boiler room or pass threw over penetration is that a good thing 

[_TONY_]

do you want your broadhead to stay in the boiler room or pass threw over penetration is that a good thing

Two holes are better than one 

[demontang]

So I now have a insanity cpxl and man its a different bow over the cpx. And my draw lenght 31" its almost as fast and the draw cycle is smoother though I do feel a little bit more viberation wich I can take care off later

[coachcw]

the advantage to more poundage would be a heavier arrow , some guys like my self like to hold poundage . the reason I've gone to 70 lbs bows is because I have went to a 420 grain set up .

[xXLojackXx]

the advantage to more poundage would be a heavier arrow , some guys like my self like to hold poundage . the reason I've gone to 70 lbs bows is because I have went to a 420 grain set up .

Exactly. I love the Full Metal Jackets, although they're heavy they hit like a semi truck. With 80lb draw theyll be moving over 310fps

[Come Get Some]

I guess you are missing my point. I also shoot a long draw. You would not get 310FPS at 80 lbs with a full metal jacket if you did not have a longer than average draw. The average draw for most guys is about 27.5"-28".You will get a cleaner release with more holding weight. The avarage guy does  not know the difference. It depends whether or not you want to hit a 1" dot at 50 yds or a paper plate. It is all relative. High let off or 65%??? I shoot a 525 grain arrow at 70 lbs and prefer 65%.

[maxwell]

Shoot what feels right. I have had both of these bows and now the Bowtech is the back up bow to my Mathews Helim-Tac. 

KM

[Greg Mullins]

Hoyt.

[3dvapor]

I totally understand guys buying bows in the 70 to 80lb range.  I currently shoot a 430 grain arrow at 287 fps with a 29inch draw.  with todays bows and there forgiving draw cycles with 80 percent letoff there's no reason not to if a guy can easily pull a 70lb plus draw weight.    This also would help me because I shoot a single pin hha sight and usually leave it set at 25yds for hunting, but an 80lb bow would put me at speeds above 300fps allowing me to set my sight to 30yds and leave it for most shooting situations.