Letter to Raffle Tag REPOSTED!!!!!

[jackelope]

From what I know about the situation/hunt(whatever you want to call it), there wasn't a group of guides or a team of spotters or anything like that. There was a guy with the tag and 1 or 2 "guides" with him. So I guess what I'm saying is, I don't think there was a guide and his "minions" to pack meat. It's no excuse and I'm certainly not defending anyone or making excuses for anyone, but I am pretty solid on the fact that there wasn't a team of ~8 guides and Doyle Moss all along for the hunt/kill. I'd be shocked to find out that there was even a single soul from Utah in the state of Washington for this hunt.
 

[Watimberghost]

Haugenna, good point. If he had "guides" that were paid to pack his meat out then my disgust would be directed toward them.

[CoryTDF]

I YOU shot it it is YOUR responsibility to care for the meat. Tag stays with the largest portion kf the animal. Ultimatly the fault will fall on he who pulled tje trigger. You kill it you have a moral obligation to make sure it is taken care ofproperly. PLEASE! somebody to to argue that! Please!

[idahohuntr]

Does the hunter have the responsibility to pack the meat out or does the guide and his minions?  For all you know the hunter could have paid the guide to handle all meat care and pack out of meat.  If that is the case, it is not the hunter's responsibility.  Yeah you could argue that the hunter should pack out the meat because you pack out your own meat but that might not be the case when you hire a guide.  I personally have never gone on a guided hunt so I don't know how that goes.  I have only drawn the conclusion from watching the TV hunting shows.  The hunter rarely packs meat.  He just smiles and walks while the guide packs the load.  In the case of an elk, its not a one trip wonder with just one guy.   

It is the hunters responsibility to make sure the meat is properly cared for.  He can do it himself, hire packers, call friends, whatever he wants, but it is his responsibility to make sure the meat is not wasted. 

[BOWHUNTER45]

Is this what big antlers have done to hunting??  What a bunch of BS...

Rtspring

Didn't you recently post that... "there's no reason not to take a mature bull with any peaches tag"
I kid. I kid.

Yes when it becomes a checkbook/horn measuring contest this is what big antlers have done to hunting

That's why I do not support trophy hunting ...some guys just care about the horns and bragging rights ...many do not care about the meat or eating it .....I know many and still stand my ground friends or not ....Not saying everyone does it but the ones that do just make me sick !

[BOWHUNTER45]

So you were hunting with your bow and someone else had a tag for the same area and with a rifle tag ? That is messed up ...that's why we bow hunt so we do not have to put up with that kinda crap ... A tag for bowhunting should not be open for rifle hunters Raffle tag or not !!! That would seriously peeeeese me off ! Only good thing that came from this was you still over coming the challenge and ending up with a dandy bull 

[actionshooter]

 I didn't read the original post, but Jesus Christ, you guys are beating him up for posting what he saw? I don't see any jealousy only upset b/c the hunter/guide were possibly unethical. As far as responsibility for meat, its BOTH hunter and guide, or at least that's the way the state would see it when the ticket book comes out.
  I usually judge a post in part by the way the poster has defined himself on the board and Corey has always seemed to be a straight shooter. Myself, if I had witnessed this, there would have been a call to the WDFW wardens.

Oh-ya, all the above is just my opinion, if you don't agree, too bad

[haugenna]

I YOU shot it it is YOUR responsibility to care for the meat. Tag stays with the largest portion kf the animal. Ultimatly the fault will fall on he who pulled tje trigger. You kill it you have a moral obligation to make sure it is taken care ofproperly. PLEASE! somebody to to argue that! Please!

I see a few holes in your argument here.  The tag stays with the determination of sex or the first pack out.  In this case it was the horns.  I don't want to be possessing a head and horns with out it being tagged.  Second to that, I don't want to be in possession of a bunch of meat without proper sex identification.  I always tag the horns and I think most of us on here do that.

Second, if a guide is being paid to pack out the meat then the hunter is not responsible for it.  That is part of the guided experience that he/she has paid for.  The hunter could be back home with the horns and cape and in good faith asked the meat be donated to a homeless shelter.  For all he knows, the meat was taken care of that night.  In this case it wasn't.  I think you are making a HUGE assumption that the hunter knowingly and willingly said "screw the meat and let it spoil"  In the case of it being a high dollar tag it would be an easy assumption that  he paid the guide to do it.  Remember, this is a guided hunt, not a DYI.  Big difference.

[actionshooter]

I YOU shot it it is YOUR responsibility to care for the meat. Tag stays with the largest portion kf the animal. Ultimatly the fault will fall on he who pulled tje trigger. You kill it you have a moral obligation to make sure it is taken care ofproperly. PLEASE! somebody to to argue that! Please!

I see a few holes in your argument here.  The tag stays with the determination of sex or the first pack out.  In this case it was the horns.  I don't want to be possessing a head and horns with out it being tagged.  Second to that, I don't want to be in possession of a bunch of meat without proper sex identification.  I always tag the horns and I think most of us on here do that.

Second, if a guide is being paid to pack out the meat then the hunter is not responsible for it.  That is part of the guided experience that he/she has paid for.  The hunter could be back home with the horns and cape and in good faith asked the meat be donated to a homeless shelter.  For all he knows, the meat was taken care of that night.  In this case it wasn't but I don't think it is the hunter's responsibility if he paid the guide to do it.  Remember, this is a guided hunt, not a DYI.  Big difference.

I would tend to agree, but I would be the state would hand out a waste ticket to both.

[Kazekurt]

There are all types of hunters in this world and money isn't what makes one good or bad.  There are people in every financial state that will poach, take unethical shots, commit wanton waste, etc.  Unfortunately , some people crave the prestige that comes with harvesting a trophy and will do anything to get it.  These are also the types of people that will waste game as it has little value to them because it is not what they are after.  Some also place zero value on the hunt itself, they just want bragging rights.  My dad used to release pheasants and quail on our farm when I was a kid and multiple "hunters" stopped and asked if they could buy birds  out  of our pen and 90% just wanted me to ring their necks rather than having me plant them for them to hunt.  Apparently returning with a limit was more important than actually having a fun hunt.  I do not know the raffle tag hunter so this is NOT a commentary on him but rather a general observation I've made over the years. 

[furbearer365]

I YOU shot it it is YOUR responsibility to care for the meat. Tag stays with the largest portion kf the animal. Ultimatly the fault will fall on he who pulled tje trigger. You kill it you have a moral obligation to make sure it is taken care ofproperly. PLEASE! somebody to to argue that! Please!

I see a few holes in your argument here.  The tag stays with the determination of sex or the first pack out.  In this case it was the horns.  I don't want to be possessing a head and horns with out it being tagged.  Second to that, I don't want to be in possession of a bunch of meat without proper sex identification.  I always tag the horns and I think most of us on here do that.

Second, if a guide is being paid to pack out the meat then the hunter is not responsible for it.  That is part of the guided experience that he/she has paid for.  The hunter could be back home with the horns and cape and in good faith asked the meat be donated to a homeless shelter.  For all he knows, the meat was taken care of that night.  In this case it wasn't.  I think you are making a HUGE assumption that the hunter knowingly and willingly said "screw the meat and let it spoil"  In the case of it being a high dollar tag it would be an easy assumption that  he paid the guide to do it.  Remember, this is a guided hunt, not a DYI.  Big difference.

Lets assume that you are correct.  You are doing nothing but helping Cory's argument.  Most of his argument is of ethical actions.  If the said Raffle tag holder paid for the guide to pack the meat and just shot it, took his head and cape, and ASSUMED the guide would take care of it, BOOOOOO on is part, and therefore UNETHICAL.  Just because he has the ability to pay them to pack it out, doesn't mean it is ethical for him to just shoot it, get his pictures and walk away.  He very easily could of stayed and been a part of that process out of respect for the bull he shot and made sure it was taken care of.  So go back and read your post and you ask yourself, even if you are correct is you ASSUMPTION, was the tag holder in right in an ethical sense.

[haugenna]

To answer your question-

Ethical- Yes
Lazier than me- Yes
If it happened to me would I be frustrated- Yes
Would you find me complaining about it on an internet forum 3 1/2 months later- NO

He may not have been the one who caped it or even got a drop of blood on his hands.  He took the animal in fair chase in accordance to Washington hunting laws. 

[BOHNTR]

Wow, I can't believe how this post went sideways.
I work with Cory and know he is a hunting fool...that being said, I feel the bottom line is the proper care of game is the key issue.
I know in Alaska that the cape and horns is the LAST thing to be packed out, with the meat being the PRIORITY, this is also the ethical thing to do.
Living here on the East side the early seasons are extremely challenging for meat retention.
Taking the head out first is just immoral/unethical.

[coachcw]

My guess is the tag holder and the guide could have cared less about the meat , no doubt those guys paying huge money are horn hunting , who are we trying to kid. I'm sure he'd just pay the ticket rather than bust his ass in the heat to pack meat. My feeling on quality permits is that they are rare and should be hunted to harvest a good representative of the species.  I really don't think I'd kill a rag horn in the back country but I guarantee I'd kill my self and any buddys taking care of the meat to the best of my ability. the only exception would be say rib and neck meat for the sake of time and getting the quarters cooled down. I commend the poster for calling bs , seem he had nothing to gain 

[furbearer365]

To answer your question-

Ethical- Yes
Lazier than me- Yes
If it happened to me would I be frustrated- Yes
Would you find me complaining about it on an internet forum 3 1/2 months later- NO

He may not have been the one who caped it or even got a drop of blood on his hands.  He took the animal in fair chase in accordance to Washington hunting laws.

I don't really believe that Cory is "complaining" about anything.  I think he is spot on to put out there what he saw and let the people know when such events take place. Cory, or any tag holder, has every right to hunt a unit when he or she draws a tag.  These high dollar guys that throw there money around are fine in doing so, but not when others are deterred from setting their own goals with a tag they rightfully earned.  I don't care who you are, how much you paid for a tag, or how many guys you rented to help, every legal hunter with a tag for that unit is entitled to hunt with no questions.  You obviously don't get what Cory was getting at in the beginning of this post.  Its was already said by him and many others that the tag holder did nothing illegal (that he knew of).  The whole point to this post is of ethics and proper care of game.  I don't know why your opinion is based on legality because that is not the issue and never has been.  If you are one of those that believes that the law sets whether something is ethical or not that's fine, but some of us dont see the law as the golden rule of ethics and believe that all hunters have an obligation to the game we hunt.