we spent 3 days chasing them damn birds before we quit and went after sheds. they would shock gobble, we'd get set up and they would never come in. we were into birds all day every day and...maybe i just don't know what the hell i was doing....., but i called them in last year no problem. 2 of us killed 4 birds in 2 days last year. seemed that other people were having the same problems as us. i was hunting with a buddy that wanted kill one with his bow, so that slowed us down a little bit, but shank couldn't find them either.