Bipartisan Bills Would Ban Exploding Targets..BILL PASSED WILL BECOME LAW

[pianoman9701]

I have no problem with this. I lost my fascination of exploding things a long time ago.

[bigtex]

The Senate Bill passed out of committee with all members voting in favor. The bill is now in the Rules Committee which will determine a date for a full Senate vote.

[bigtex]

SB 6199 has passed the entire legislature (both Senate and House) with a UNANIMOUS vote.

It now goes to Inslee for signing.

[stuckalot]

Am I reading it correctly that you can still use exploding targets on public land from November-May just not during closed season. And you cannot at any time use them on private property without the owner's permission? With landowner permission during non-closed season you are good to blow stuff?

If I'm reading it correctly, that's kind of a  "well, duh" scenario.

[Bob33]

For the record it is not clear that tannerite if used properly is even included in this definition. If used properly the company says its not flammable.

(18) "Exploding target" means a device:
(a) Designed for use or used as a target for ammunition or other projectiles;
(b) Consisting of a flammable substance or combination of substances; and
(c) Capable of exploding when struck by ammunition or other projectiles.

[bigtex]

Am I reading it correctly that you can still use exploding targets on public land from November-May just not during closed season. And you cannot at any time use them on private property without the owner's permission? With landowner permission during non-closed season you are good to blow stuff?

If I'm reading it correctly, that's kind of a  "well, duh" scenario.

You are reading it wrong.

Exploding targets year round ban on public land.

Outside of the "closed season" you could use them on private land, but only with permission.

[bobcat]

For the record it is not clear that tannerite if used properly is even included in this definition. If used properly the company says its not flammable.

(18) "Exploding target" means a device:
(a) Designed for use or used as a target for ammunition or other projectiles;
(b) Consisting of a flammable substance or combination of substances; and
(c) Capable of exploding when struck by ammunition or other projectiles.

Doesn't it have to meet a, b, and c in order to be considered an exploding target? (Not just a and c but all three)?

[Bob33]

For the record it is not clear that tannerite if used properly is even included in this definition. If used properly the company says its not flammable.

(18) "Exploding target" means a device:
(a) Designed for use or used as a target for ammunition or other projectiles;
(b) Consisting of a flammable substance or combination of substances; and
(c) Capable of exploding when struck by ammunition or other projectiles.

Doesn't it have to meet a, b, and c in order to be considered an exploding target? (Not just a and c but all three)?

If tannerite is legal, this bill has a huge loophole.

[bobcat]

For the record it is not clear that tannerite if used properly is even included in this definition. If used properly the company says its not flammable.

(18) "Exploding target" means a device:
(a) Designed for use or used as a target for ammunition or other projectiles;
(b) Consisting of a flammable substance or combination of substances; and
(c) Capable of exploding when struck by ammunition or other projectiles.

Doesn't it have to meet a, b, and c in order to be considered an exploding target? (Not just a and c but all three)?

If tannerite is legal, this bill has a huge loophole.

Well honestly I don't even know what tannerite is. Does it consist of a "combination of substances?" If so then I guess it meets (b).

[Bob33]

Tannerite is the brand name of a binary explosive marketed primarily for making exploding targets for firearms practice. [1] It is a patented [2] combination of ammonium nitrate (an oxidizer) and aluminum powder (a fuel) that is supplied as two separate powders which are mixed and shaken to produce the explosive. The combined explosive is relatively stable when subjected to less severe forces than a high-velocity bullet impact, such as a hammer blow, being dropped, or impact from a low-velocity bullet or shotgun blast. [2] It is also not flammable – an explosion cannot be created by a burning fuse or electricity. [3] Because it is sold as two separate powders rather than as the combined mixture, it is even more stable when sold, and can be transported and sold in many places without the legal restrictions that would otherwise apply to explosives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tannerite

[HighlandLofts]

Are the little square styrafoam exploding targets still available? I use to buy them about twenty years ago mwhen the kids just got in to shooting 22s. Haven't seen any of them in years.

[Fl0und3rz]

The version with House amendment 6199-S AMH AGNR H4402.1.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/documents/billdocs/2013-14/Pdf/Amendments/House/6199-S%20AMH%20AGNR%20H4402.1.pdf

The apparent final definition:

(18) "Exploding target" means a device that is designed or marketed to ignite or explode when struck by firearm ammunition or other projectiles;

It seems like a lazy attempt at a definition. But yeah legislators! You did something!

So propane bottles, gas cans, flammable gases or powders in balloons or other containers in proximity to an open flame may still be dandy because they are not necessarily "designed or marketed to ignite or explode when struck by firearm ammunition or other projectiles."  But beware shooting full soda cans under a common definition of "detonate" and "explode."

If they wanted to call out tannerite in particular (by brand or chemical composition), or the particular danger supposedly addressed by this bill, they could have screwed it up a little less.

I hope they don't strain a muscle patting themselves on the back for this one.

[j_h_nimrod]

Depending on interpretation there are a number of loopholes and ridiculous inclusions in this bill. From what I could see (I did not read the final bill) there is a lot of vague language and definition here. Surprises me that it is so from this states' retarded legislators, I thought they were perfect at ridiculousness. 

[Fl0und3rz]

Yeah, something so simple and straightforward.  But we should trust them to get it right on universal background checks, or something, for the chirrun. (Yes, I know this is or is likely headed the initiative route.)

[Heredoggydoggy]

I understand that they are trying to focus on safety and maybe preventing some fires but we have much bigger fish to fry right now. Lets focus on the bigger tasks at hand and IF we ever get those squared away, which we won't, then we can move to things like these.

I completely understand where you are coming from. But there are over a thousand bills introduced every year in WA. This to me is more important then a bill which is simply fixing grammar. There is a reason why this legislature is in session for 60 days, it's so legislators can work on a multitude of issues 

You mean like wasting the time to vote on what the official State Oyster should be when there are important things to consider?