Range Riders

[bearpaw]

I don't make enemies or go out of my way to blast the people that manage resources I care about.  I could fill volumes of books with things I think WDFW could do better or differently or more efficiently...its a big reason I volunteer time on their councils...but they have a tough job and it does no good for hunters to constantly bash them.

Yes, agreed, I do not always bash them, I actually wish I could find more to thank them for, but just can't find much to thank them for when we are talking wolves. 

[bearpaw]

   or cougars, or other predators 

[KFhunter]

I don't make enemies or go out of my way to blast the people that manage resources I care about.  I could fill volumes of books with things I think WDFW could do better or differently or more efficiently...its a big reason I volunteer time on their councils...but they have a tough job and it does no good for hunters to constantly bash them.

You have no idea if range riders will work, why are you then here?

I'd like to stay on topic, there's plenty of other wolf threads to obfuscate. 

[bearpaw]

sorry KFH

[idahohuntr]

Yea...I will admit I have a hard time saying much good about their enforcement division...there are just darn few game wardens these days with a good attitude and any kind of desire to treat the sportsmen of this state with respect.

back to range riders...

[nwwanderer]

KFHunter, thanks for posting the Stevens county Cattlemans piece.  Will written, research references and positive.  Everyone should read it twice and refer to the research cited.  Proper grazing improves habitat and they show references to prove it.  Sorry about the longhorn/polled deal.  The cattle guys like us to eat 15 month old calves not 45.  Can you imagine the bunk space needed for those four foot pointy things?

[rasbo]

I afraid all these helpful tools,hazing,range riders,dogs are just to slow down whats really needed,management now!! *censored*footing around is just gonna make things worse in my mind.

[Special T]

Rasbo you are spot on. The only Place that has NOT been slow played was WY. Mostly because they went Straight to shooting.... Besides wast the jellystone packs supposed to be "experimental"

[wolfbait]

In wyoming the USFWS determined that the only way to deal with livestock killing wolves was to kill the entire pack, including pups. Why does WDFW and OR think that wolves change once they cross state lines?

18 years Later,,,,,,And WDF&wolves have NO Clue<

 I think Special T stated it best, using methods that have already been tried and failed, WA ranchers are being "slow played" and so are the fools that believe more habitat, and hunting wolves as a game animal will control wolves.

Call your representatives and demand action.

[jackmaster]

in no way shape or form will more habitata relieve any of the wolf issues, they can sell that line of B.S somewhere else, it is impossible to get the habitat back that the wolves had 150 years ago and they were still eradicated cause it just dont work, why are these high paid officials so blind to what has happened in the past its been proven that wolves cannot be controled enough for that type of predator to live harmoniously with the wildlife without costing more money than what the state has to shell out.... it will come down to people having to do whats right or forget about one of your favorite passions 

[pianoman9701]

Using range riders because we have a wolf problem is the proverbial putting lipstick on a pig. The plan is still a pig. What are they going to do for the people who will no longer be able to walk their dog or go hiking because we refuse to manage these critters and put the fear of man into them? Maybe they should do like they do at WSU when a woman is walking home at night by herself - have chaperons who will shoo the wolves away just like the range riders.

This won't work. A range rider can't be everywhere and these organizations will run out of money sooner or later. It's a bandaid. We need to manage these eaters now and not with range riders.

[jackmaster]

Using range riders because we have a wolf problem is the proverbial putting lipstick on a pig. The plan is still a pig. What are they going to do for the people who will no longer be able to walk their dog or go hiking because we refuse to manage these critters and put the fear of man into them? Maybe they should do like they do at WSU when a woman is walking home at night by herself - have chaperons who will shoo the wolves away just like the range riders.

This won't work. A range rider can't be everywhere and these organizations will run out of money sooner or later. It's a bandaid. We need to manage these eaters now and not with range riders.

hell pianno this aint even a bandaid, this is like putting a tournequet on a severed limb and not tighting it down  still wouldnt mind having one of those jobs though, on your own blown big holes through wolves oh i mean protecting the wolves and making sure they are safe and sound