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Do the load lifters work?
Quote from: jackelope on August 08, 2015, 08:04:25 AMDo the load lifters work?No, they don't. I can't understand how these companies keep making and selling packs for several hundred dollars without load lifters. I guess 99% of hunters don't know how a pack is supposed to fit.
Quote from: 7mag. on August 08, 2015, 11:40:21 AMQuote from: jackelope on August 08, 2015, 08:04:25 AMDo the load lifters work?No, they don't. I can't understand how these companies keep making and selling packs for several hundred dollars without load lifters. I guess 99% of hunters don't know how a pack is supposed to fit.Lol you should let Steven know that his pack doesn't fit him and he's been uncomfortable all this time in the field
I don't think Rinella and Simmons are endorsing them for the money, but even if they were the Outdoorsmans pack certainly seems like a product worth looking at. I know I have, and found alot of appealing features for the price range. IMO some hunters think the terms fit and comfort, fall hand in hand with function and ability. And that is true for some of us. But for most they do not. The fact that one pack is less comfortable with X amount of weight, has nothing to do with its ability to carry X amount of weight. And because IMO a small percentage of hunters will ever cross the threshhold where X is greater than a given packs comfort level, and an even smaller percentage that will exceed its ability. It makes sense that many pack companies cater to that market.
I certainly agree with that. Sadly, most hunters might use their pack once or twice a year and that is not enough to realize the difference in load carrying ability and comfort. I have carried well over 150# in a good pack and it felt every bit of it's weight but was manageable and as comfortable as that can be. I have also carried 40# in a crappy pack and thought I was going to die after a mile, but that is because I already knew what a good pack was supposed to feel like. If I had not known better I would have just thought that it sucked but that was what it should feel like. I agree the pack has some good features but it has too many things wrong with it for me to drop $400. I would much rather look at a Kuiu, Mystery Ranch, Badlands, or something similar.
I agree with your statement..... Except I dont find it sad. The less they use theirs the more I can use mine! I am sorry if I was unclear, I dont use the Outdoorsman Pack. I simply beleive they would function as they should for the money. I have hauled heavy loads +100, in enough packs to truly believe that my Kifaru duplex is the most comfortable pack I have ever worn. It is also the most expensive. For MY use and budget that expense was justified. That said I have hauled 100+, in Eberlestock , badlands, cabelas alaskan, and other frames. Not nearly as comfortable, but plenty ABLE. I think many manufactures have elevated their game, and the majority of packs should handle a 40 pound load reasonably well.Quote from: 7mag. on August 08, 2015, 06:21:27 PMQuote from: blackveltbowhunter on August 08, 2015, 01:58:11 PMI don't think Rinella and Simmons are endorsing them for the money, but even if they were the Outdoorsmans pack certainly seems like a product worth looking at. I know I have, and found alot of appealing features for the price range. IMO some hunters think the terms fit and comfort, fall hand in hand with function and ability. And that is true for some of us. But for most they do not. The fact that one pack is less comfortable with X amount of weight, has nothing to do with its ability to carry X amount of weight. And because IMO a small percentage of hunters will ever cross the threshhold where X is greater than a given packs comfort level, and an even smaller percentage that will exceed its ability. It makes sense that many pack companies cater to that market. They most certainly are 100% endorsing them for the money. That's how you make a living hosting a T.V. show. Look how many times the Eastman's has changed the gear they use over the years. Going from Swarovski to Nikon? No one will ever convince me that they like Nikon optics better. They use the products that are paying the bills, simple as that. I should have been more clear..... I dont think they are endorsing "garbage" (reffering to j.h earlier post regarding some celebritys endorsing garbage just to get a dollar. I agree their are many of those, but I dont think these guys fall into that category) Yes they go where the money is. I simply dont see them as being deceitful by endorsing these packs. From what I have seen they certainly appear to be a quality product and company. I am not arguing that Swaro are better glass than nikon or that the eastmans crew are saying they like them better. I dont know I dont watch the show. But for someone to endorse Nikon as quality glass is not outlandish. Especially considering the price point these companies are competing at.
Quote from: blackveltbowhunter on August 08, 2015, 01:58:11 PMI don't think Rinella and Simmons are endorsing them for the money, but even if they were the Outdoorsmans pack certainly seems like a product worth looking at. I know I have, and found alot of appealing features for the price range. IMO some hunters think the terms fit and comfort, fall hand in hand with function and ability. And that is true for some of us. But for most they do not. The fact that one pack is less comfortable with X amount of weight, has nothing to do with its ability to carry X amount of weight. And because IMO a small percentage of hunters will ever cross the threshhold where X is greater than a given packs comfort level, and an even smaller percentage that will exceed its ability. It makes sense that many pack companies cater to that market. They most certainly are 100% endorsing them for the money. That's how you make a living hosting a T.V. show. Look how many times the Eastman's has changed the gear they use over the years. Going from Swarovski to Nikon? No one will ever convince me that they like Nikon optics better. They use the products that are paying the bills, simple as that.
