Would you shoot a turkey out off the roost?

[ghosthunter]

Do not mis-understand I am not mad at all. I enjoy these discussions.

I would point out that no war is ever won, without winning several battles first.

On the other hand many wars have been lost due to a single battle.
In the effort to keep hunting alive and well no battle is small.

[lostbackpacker]

is shooting a turkey in a roost the same as shooting a deer/elk from the road?

[pianoman9701]

is shooting a turkey in a roost the same as shooting a deer/elk from the road?

No. Shooting from the road is illegal if it's maintained. And stupid if it's not.

[Curly]

Shooting from the road is not illegal.

[pianoman9701]

Tell us what you mean by that Curly, because if it's a maintained road, it certainly is illegal.

[bobcat]

is shooting a turkey in a roost the same as shooting a deer/elk from the road?

I would say it would fall in the same sort of ethical dilemma. Both are legal, but not ethical by some people's standards.

[Curly]

Tell us what you mean by that Curly, because if it's a maintained road, it certainly is illegal.

only illegal if you shoot in a negligent manner.  it is another one of those laws where most people have a misconception due to being told over and over again that it is illegal, but then when you actually read the RCW or WAC then you will see that the key word is "negligent".

[pianoman9701]

Tell us what you mean by that Curly, because if it's a maintained road, it certainly is illegal.

only illegal if you shoot in a negligent manner.  it is another one of those laws where most people have a misconception due to being told over and over again that it is illegal, but then when you actually read the RCW or WAC then you will see that the key word is "negligent".

In the context of hunting at least, you're incorrect:

from page 76 big game regs

c.   It is unlawful to shoot a bow and arrow
from a vehicle or from, across or along
the maintained portion of a public
highway, except that persons with a
disabled hunter permit may shoot from
a vehicle if the hunter is in compliance
with WAC 232-12-828.

and then from page 78:

6. Discharging a firearm from, across, or
along the maintained portion of any
public highway, regardless of surface,
is prohibited, except for hunters with
disabilities in compliance with WAC
232-12-828.

[bobcat]

Pman, you must have missed all the discussions we've had on the shooting from roads topic, and how the WDFW conveniently leaves out the word "negligent" in the rule as it is written in the pamphlet.

You can't go by the pamphlet as it is only a summary of the actual laws.

[pianoman9701]

I did miss those. So what constitutes negligent? You mean I can legally shoot from a road, seriously?

[bobcat]

I did miss those. So what constitutes negligent? You mean I can legally shoot from a road, seriously?

That's up to the warden, and then the judge if it gets that far. They don't tell us what exactly negligent means.

[deaner]

I did miss those. So what constitutes negligent? You mean I can legally shoot from a road, seriously?

That's up to the warden, and then the judge if it gets that far. They don't tell us what exactly negligent means.

so therefor shooting from a county road does put you in a bit of a grey area where they COULD call it illegal, if so inclined.  weigh the risk of that i guess.  or just dont shoot from a county road.

[Jonathan_S]

What if you see a real Hopper standing in the road?   

[deaner]

What if you see a real Hopper standing in the road?   

hopper?

[pianoman9701]

Well, that's just idiotic to have that kind of ambiguity. I never heard about this before.