Sun Valley colt

[wolfbait]

Sun Valley colt
http://idahoforwildlife.com/wolf-news/2-content/41-sun-valley-colt

[KFhunter]

Thanks for the link, also listened to the testimony very heartfelt and emotional.


Also found it interesting they keep a Coyote as an alert for approaching wolves, I bet they'd work fantastic for that.  I've read quite a bit about Coyotes kept as working dog for various things including a bird dog.

[mkcj]

 

[AspenBud]

I like (not really, but I find it darkly humorous) that they figured the wolves would move on after a week because they thought there was a lack of food and then got surprised when their dogs got hassled. February is the general start of  denning season. Talk about sticking their finger in a light socket and taking a huge chance.

[Elkaholic daWg]

Loved THIS part!

"Yesterday a part of me died with my little friend JR Luna Azul."
 "RIP my beautiful colt!" I will hunt down the wolf that did this".....
 "Rest assured, it is now living on borrowed time."

"Rise and rise again until lambs become lions!!!"

[wolfbait]

I like (not really, but I find it darkly humorous) that they figured the wolves would move on after a week because they thought there was a lack of food and then got surprised when their dogs got hassled. February is the general start of  denning season. Talk about sticking their finger in a light socket and taking a huge chance.

These people were a part of several people who had wolves dumped on them many years ago, and then were forced to adapt. I'm quite sure they know more about wolf behavior then you will probably ever know A-bud. But you just keep telling everyone how wolf-smart you are, and of course your buddies on W-H will drool with anticipation for your next spout of wisdom.

I wonder what you would say if it was your colt, your kid, etc.. When you start getting hurt by the wolves you might have different ideas.

[AspenBud]

I like (not really, but I find it darkly humorous) that they figured the wolves would move on after a week because they thought there was a lack of food and then got surprised when their dogs got hassled. February is the general start of  denning season. Talk about sticking their finger in a light socket and taking a huge chance.

These people were a part of several people who had wolves dumped on them many years ago, and then were forced to adapt. I'm quite sure they know more about wolf behavior then you will probably ever know A-bud. But you just keep telling everyone how wolf-smart you are, and of course your buddies on W-H will drool with anticipation for your next spout of wisdom.

I wonder what you would say if it was your colt, your kid, etc.. When you start getting hurt by the wolves you might have different ideas.

I think they need to become better studies of wolf behavior.

[wolfbait]

Two Dogs Attcked by wolf

http://idahoforwildlife.com/component/content/article/2-content/42-killer-wolf-in-sun-valley-strikes-again

Long Range Tactical hunters join State and Federal officials in hunt for killer wolf in Sun Valley, Idaho.

http://idahoforwildlife.com/component/content/article/2-content/43-sun-valley-wolf-hunt

[Elkaholic daWg]

I like (not really, but I find it darkly humorous) that they figured the wolves would move on after a week because they thought there was a lack of food and then got surprised when their dogs got hassled. February is the general start of  denning season. Talk about sticking their finger in a light socket and taking a huge chance.

These people were a part of several people who had wolves dumped on them many years ago, and then were forced to adapt. I'm quite sure they know more about wolf behavior then you will probably ever know A-bud. But you just keep telling everyone how wolf-smart you are, and of course your buddies on W-H will drool with anticipation for your next spout of wisdom.

I wonder what you would say if it was your colt, your kid, etc.. When you start getting hurt by the wolves you might have different ideas.

I think they need to become better studies of wolf behavior.

Seems you didn't read the story closely eh?

[AspenBud]

I like (not really, but I find it darkly humorous) that they figured the wolves would move on after a week because they thought there was a lack of food and then got surprised when their dogs got hassled. February is the general start of  denning season. Talk about sticking their finger in a light socket and taking a huge chance.

These people were a part of several people who had wolves dumped on them many years ago, and then were forced to adapt. I'm quite sure they know more about wolf behavior then you will probably ever know A-bud. But you just keep telling everyone how wolf-smart you are, and of course your buddies on W-H will drool with anticipation for your next spout of wisdom.

I wonder what you would say if it was your colt, your kid, etc.. When you start getting hurt by the wolves you might have different ideas.

I think they need to become better studies of wolf behavior.

Seems you didn't read the story closely eh?

From the article that started the thread...

"January of this year started out bad in our area. On January 13 we received a call from a close friend that a hunting dog had been killed by wolves just a couple of miles from our home and his advice was to be very careful. Our usual training ground is the canyon behind our ranch as the road is a dead end and receives little traffic making for a great area to work the dogs and keep them in top shape. We refrained from using the area for a week till the danger had passed, as wolves will generally move on without a good prey base. When we again started using the canyon it was obvious there was still a presence of wolves.  The four juvenile females reported to us were still around but gave the dogs a pretty wide birth. Each day that the dogs were worked got more intense and on the sixth day they ambushed the dogs."

They know when the danger of wolves has passed? They know if there is enough to eat for wolves? They didn't consider that they might have a real problem on their hands with wolves appearing within two miles of their home, that their livestock might be viewed as a food source at a time of year when wolves are known to start looking for den sites? They were so lazy that they didn't bother to look for signs of wolves before turning their dogs loose in an area known to have wolves?

They waited one week to use an area that the owner of a hunting dog had warned them about before going there. The Midwestern states publish reported hound/wolf encounters to help people avoid those areas since they're often near dens and rendezvous sites, anyone going such areas with a dog is just asking for it and these folks did the same thing. Maybe Idaho doesn't give the same advice, but those folks walked right into the lion's den in the quoted instance and I have no sympathy.

The colt and border collie(s), that sucks, but given their other actions I have to wonder what's going on out there.

[TheHunt]

Loved that she had an AR in the picture.   Did you see the elk harvest numbers posted in that site?  Yikes...  IDFW will need to start killing the wolves to get the numbers back up or out of state hunters will not come. 

[KFhunter]

from the story

http://idahoforwildlife.com/component/content/article/2-content/43-sun-valley-wolf-hunt

USDA Wildlife Services if attempting to locate and destroy the wolf from a plane. The challenge in this country is that the wolves have become educated to what these planes represent. They are able to hear these planes from a great distance and they take cover making them very difficult to hunt from the air.

wow, ducking and taking cover?   I'd figured they'd just run until they were wore out but this is insinuating the wolves are taking cover or hiding when the plane is flying.

[AspenBud]

from the story

http://idahoforwildlife.com/component/content/article/2-content/43-sun-valley-wolf-hunt

USDA Wildlife Services if attempting to locate and destroy the wolf from a plane. The challenge in this country is that the wolves have become educated to what these planes represent. They are able to hear these planes from a great distance and they take cover making them very difficult to hunt from the air.

wow, ducking and taking cover?   I'd figured they'd just run until they were wore out but this is insinuating the wolves are taking cover or hiding when the plane is flying.

I vaguely remember seeing a documentary many years ago in which it was stated wolves were known to split from a pack when chased by hounds in an attempt to break up the scent trail. It was an old documentary so who knows how true it was, but the insinuation was the wolves had figured out how to evade dogs. Some might get caught, but not all.

[nwwanderer]

Guard dogs, alert canid, range riders and a dead colt.  Great graphs and information.  Pass it around and quote the facts at every opportunity.

[callonetta]

The IDFW needs to adapt too, if wolves are hiding at the noise made by airplanes then move to drones, no noise and one Hell-Fire shot can potentially take out 2 to 3 wolves at a time depending on terrain.

[wence5]

What a heart sickening story. This is what we will be facing here in a very short order. Only difference I don't believe we will ever be able to legally protect our livestock or property from this disease known as the Grey wolf. Just look at the harvest numbers on elk in ID. How much longer will there be a general season there? What took over 100 years to build up has been torn down in less than 20 years. They need a shoot on sight order for these vermin.

[Duckhunter14]

What a heart sickening story. This is what we will be facing here in a very short order. Only difference I don't believe we will ever be able to legally protect our livestock or property from this disease known as the Grey wolf. Just look at the harvest numbers on elk in ID. How much longer will there be a general season there? What took over 100 years to build up has been torn down in less than 20 years. They need a shoot on sight order for these vermin.

  This is sickening and we're headed down the same road.

[washelkhunter]

The IDFW needs to adapt too, if wolves are hiding at the noise made by airplanes then move to drones, no noise and one Hell-Fire shot can potentially take out 2 to 3 wolves at a time depending on terrain.

What a wonderful idea! Drones cruising the timber armed with hellfires and some witless tick on the stick in god only knows where.   
Better we just cap them on sight at every opportunity.

[idahohuntr]

Just look at the harvest numbers on elk in ID. How much longer will there be a general season there?

Wolf numbers are declining in Idaho and there are still general elk seasons.     Human population size/growth and number of hunters will be exponentially more important in whether we keep general elk seasons in the future...not wolves.  Idaho is doing a good job managing wolves. 

[wence5]

Just look at the harvest numbers on elk in ID. How much longer will there be a general season there?

Wolf numbers are declining in Idaho and there are still general elk seasons.     Human population size/growth and number of hunters will be exponentially more important in whether we keep general elk seasons in the future...not wolves.  Idaho is doing a good job managing wolves. 

I can't argue with you on how IDF&G dept. is handling the wolf issue despite the efforts of the wolf people, they are at least trying to stem the tide. My thought was in ID they are at least doing something, hopefully with a positive outcome, but how quickly the number declined and how long it will take the herds to come back. with calf/cow retention down from 30 in 100 to the teens and 20's? I can see an up hill fight of lawsuits to at least give WA elk and deer a fighting chance. I don't think we will be as lucky in WA.

[KFhunter]

Washington is a wolf sanctuary state, we'll breed them here and when they cross the border into Idaho they'll kill em. 



Pretty soon Idaho is going to want a fence to stop illegal wolf migration from Washington.  IDFG agents will patrol the fence to make sure none are tunneling under it or climbing over. 

Then Washington will sue Idaho for wolf equality among the states.....

[wolfbait]

Just look at the harvest numbers on elk in ID. How much longer will there be a general season there?

Wolf numbers are declining in Idaho and there are still general elk seasons.     Human population size/growth and number of hunters will be exponentially more important in whether we keep general elk seasons in the future...not wolves.  Idaho is doing a good job managing wolves. 

Really? Who's counting the wolves? What about all the Wilderness that has no human population, you know, the State and federal lands, or will the elk continue to pour into to the farm lands to get away from wolves? Your argument does not hold water.

FWS Biologist Says Wolf Numbers Underestimated

Mech Says 3,000 Wolves Exist in ID, MT & WY


In a widely circulated article titled, “What They Didn’t Tell You About Wolf Recovery,” in the Jan-Mar 2008 Outdoorsman, I documented the fact that Fish and Wildlife Service and state wolf biologists are knowingly underestimating wolf numbers in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming. The article explained that only individual radio-collared wolves, and packs including at least one wolf that has been radio-collared (or otherwise documented as having survived in the wild) are considered in minimum wolf population estimates published by FWS and state agency biologists.
I reported that the FWS policy of ignoring most other wolves was first announced by Wolf Project Leader Ed Bangs in an Aug. 12, 1994 letter to FWS official Charles Lobdell. I also published Idaho F&G Biologists’ February 2008 written admission that the so-called 2007 “minimum estimates” did not include seven “suspected” packs and many known wolves in smaller groups that were not wearing radio collars.


Human Harvest Does Not Halt Wolf Increases

On page 8 of the Jan-March 2008 article, I reported the Alaska study in Denali National Park where biologists found they had been underestimating total wolf numbers by 50% by documenting primarily packs of wolves instead of also documenting dispersing and transient wolves. Yet Idaho biologists continue to ignore the Alaska research and pretend that pups, yearlings and older wolves that emigrate from packs suddenly disappear from the face of the earth just because they are not wearing a radio-tracking collar.

A six-year study of the impact of hunting and trapping on wolf populations in Alaska’s Central Brooks Range by Layne Adams and four other scientists concluded that liberal harvest by hunters and trappers of 29% or less of a wolf population has no impact (yes I said NO impact) on wolf population increases. If you doubt that, I suggest you read more about this study, published in the May 2008 issue of Wildlife Monographs, later in this article.

Simple Math: 1,600 Minus 428 = 1,172

The 29% mortality from hunters and trappers did not include mortality from all other causes yet on May 22, 2008 the Idaho F&G Commission set a new combined death loss goal of 428 wolves “from natural causes, accidents, wolf predation control actions and hunter kills,” and said that will result in its new goal of about 518 wolves on Dec. 31, 2008. Sources including Dr. David Mech, indicate there are ~1,600 wolves in Idaho now, counting this year’s pups, so 428 wolves dying from all causes would result in ~1,172 wolves remaining in Idaho – twice the number claimed by the Commission.

About 1,172 actual wolves – not paper wolves – would represent the minimum number of wolves in Idaho this coming winter and this should trigger loud alarms in the minds of those who are responsible for perpetuating Idaho’s wildlife resource. That is nearly 12 times the number of wolves the public was told would exist in a recovered wolf population and eight times the minimum number agreed to by all parties in the only Idaho Wolf Plan approved by both the Idaho Legislature and the FWS!


Will Wolf Activists Believe Their Idol?

If the wolf preservationists and the doubting Thomases refuse to believe these facts because they didn’t appear in the major media, what source will they consider reliable? The obvious answer is Dr. L. David Mech, the undisputed wolf authority in North America and perhaps in the entire world.

Although Mech eventually refuted the “Balance-of Nature” theory he and his mentor, Durward Allen, foisted off on the world during 1958-1962, he has generally remained silent while similarly inexperienced fledgling wolf biologists supply misinformation about wolf populations to the media. But the April 28, 2008 legal challenge to state wolf control by Defenders of Wildlife and eleven other preservationist groups in a Federal Court in Montana forced Mech to make public some of the facts he and other FWS wolf activists have known all along.

As part of the FWS May 9, 2008 Response to Plaintiffs’ Motion for a Preliminary Injunction (to halt wolf management by the three states) Mech wrote the following in his 22-page “Declaration under penalty of perjury:”

“Every year, most wolf populations almost double in the spring through the birth of pups [Mech 1970]. For example in May 2008, there will not be 1,500 wolves, but 3,000! (Wolf population estimates are usually made in winter when animals are at their nadir*. This approach serves to provide conservative estimates and further insure that management remains conservative).”

(*lowest point)

“70% Kill Needed to Reduce Wolf Population”

Mech continued, “As indicated above, 28-50% of a wolf population must be killed by humans per year (on top of natural mortality) to even hold a wolf population stationery. Indeed, the agencies outside the NRM which are seeking to reduce wolf populations try to kill 70% per year (Fuller et al. 2003).” (emphasis added)

“Such extreme taking of the kind necessary to effectively reduce wolf populations is done via concerted and expensive government agency (Alaska, Y ukon Territories for example) programs using helicopters and fixed wing aircraft. Normal regulated public harvest such as is contemplated in the NRM is usually unable to reduce wolf populations (Mech 2001).” (emphasis added)

In his Declaration, Mech also refuted the 1,500 NRM (three-state) minimum wolf estimate as follows: “Starting with a base population of 1,545 wolves in late 2007 (Final Rule) and adding the average 24% annual increase shown from 1995 through 2006 yields 1,916 wolves expected to be present in fall 2008. (Here I should note that the estimate of 1,545 wolves is a minimum estimate, i.e. there were supposedly a minimum of 1,545 wolves. As wolf populations increase, it becomes increasingly harder to count them accurately and the minimal counts become increasingly lower than actual. Thus a better estimate of the actual population could be about 1,700, and thus the 2008 estimate would be 2,108.) Assuming the minimum figure and that ID actually takes 328 wolves which is its limit” (was its limit until May 22,).

In other words, Mech is saying that if the three states had a total of 1,700 wolves after hunting season last fall, they will have approximately 2,108 wolves after hunting season this fall regardless of the take by hunters (1,700 wolves multiplied by 1.24 [a 24% increase after all death losses] equals 2,108 wolves this fall). Multiplying the 2,108 wolves by another 1.24 would leave 2,614 remaining wolves at the end of 2009.

Viewed from just the Idaho perspective, the “minimum” wolf estimate reported in Idaho late in 2007 was 732 (47.4% of the 1,545 wolves in the three states). If we correct that 1,545 to 1,700 as Mech suggests, double it to 3,400 to equal the present population with pups as Mech suggests, and then multiply the 3,400 by 47.4% we calculate that Idaho presently has about 1,612 wolves.

Then if we subtract the 438 wolves that will die from all causes according to IDFG biologists, that would leave a total of 1,174 wolves in Idaho in December 2008. If you prefer using Mech’s other formula, multiply the 1,700 by 47.4% and multiply the 806 wolves by 1.24 which projects a Dec, 31, 2008 population of 999 wolves.

In either scenario many of the single wolves and groups of 2-3 are still not included in Mech’s calculation. In my rural county and throughout much of Idaho, outdoorsmen report encountering far more evidence of single wolves and small groups than they do of packs so the total number of actual wolves remains a mystery.


Read more@ http://idahoforwildlife.com/files/pdf/georgeDovel/The%20Outdoorsman%20No.28%20May%202008%20FWS%20Biologist%20Says%20Wolf%20Numbers%20Underestimated%20Mech%20Says%203,000%20Wolves%20Exist%20in%20ID,%20MT%20&%20WY.pdf

[idahohuntr]

Just look at the harvest numbers on elk in ID. How much longer will there be a general season there?

Wolf numbers are declining in Idaho and there are still general elk seasons.     Human population size/growth and number of hunters will be exponentially more important in whether we keep general elk seasons in the future...not wolves.  Idaho is doing a good job managing wolves. 

Really? Who's counting the wolves? What about all the Wilderness that has no human population, you know, the State and federal lands, or will the elk continue to pour into to the farm lands to get away from wolves? Your argument does not hold water.

FWS Biologist Says Wolf Numbers Underestimated

Mech Says 3,000 Wolves Exist in ID, MT & WY

Yes, really.  The same guys counting the elk in your link are who counts the wolves.  The wolf counts/estimates are done consistently and they are decreasing in Idaho from the highs in 2009.  You can't report IDFG elk data that show declines in elk in specific zones and then turn around and argue those same people don't know what they are doing with wolves....well you can, but you have no credibility.  Based on most of your posts though I guess you are not too worried about credibility.   

[finnman]

Just look at the harvest numbers on elk in ID. How much longer will there be a general season there?

Wolf numbers are declining in Idaho and there are still general elk seasons.     Human population size/growth and number of hunters will be exponentially more important in whether we keep general elk seasons in the future...not wolves.  Idaho is doing a good job managing wolves. 

Really? Who's counting the wolves? What about all the Wilderness that has no human population, you know, the State and federal lands, or will the elk continue to pour into to the farm lands to get away from wolves? Your argument does not hold water.

FWS Biologist Says Wolf Numbers Underestimated

Mech Says 3,000 Wolves Exist in ID, MT & WY

Yes, really.  The same guys counting the elk in your link are who counts the wolves.  The wolf counts/estimates are done consistently and they are decreasing in Idaho from the highs in 2009.  You can't report IDFG elk data that show declines in elk in specific zones and then turn around and argue those same people don't know what they are doing with wolves....well you can, but you have no credibility.  Based on most of your posts though I guess you are not too worried about credibility.   

He did just say it, and it was not his data, its the IDFW data, wolf counts were done with radio collars and tracking those packs, what about all the other wolves not accounted for?
It is different with elk, counts are done differently and we have better harvest data to assist in the final numbers.
If you agree with the wolf counts then you also just admitted you agree with the elk counts. Either way you have to admit there is a big problem with the elk herds all through the central part of Idaho, general seasons don't help but what are you going to do, go door to door and tell every hunter in Idaho without a computer to stop hunting elk?
He didn't post this to gain any credibility or pose himself to be credible, which is quite the opposite of your continued condescending attitude.

[idahohuntr]

Just look at the harvest numbers on elk in ID. How much longer will there be a general season there?

Wolf numbers are declining in Idaho and there are still general elk seasons.     Human population size/growth and number of hunters will be exponentially more important in whether we keep general elk seasons in the future...not wolves.  Idaho is doing a good job managing wolves. 

Really? Who's counting the wolves? What about all the Wilderness that has no human population, you know, the State and federal lands, or will the elk continue to pour into to the farm lands to get away from wolves? Your argument does not hold water.

FWS Biologist Says Wolf Numbers Underestimated

Mech Says 3,000 Wolves Exist in ID, MT & WY

Yes, really.  The same guys counting the elk in your link are who counts the wolves.  The wolf counts/estimates are done consistently and they are decreasing in Idaho from the highs in 2009.  You can't report IDFG elk data that show declines in elk in specific zones and then turn around and argue those same people don't know what they are doing with wolves....well you can, but you have no credibility.  Based on most of your posts though I guess you are not too worried about credibility.   

He did just say it, and it was not his data, its the IDFW data, wolf counts were done with radio collars and tracking those packs, what about all the other wolves not accounted for?
It is different with elk, counts are done differently and we have better harvest data to assist in the final numbers.
If you agree with the wolf counts then you also just admitted you agree with the elk counts. Either way you have to admit there is a big problem with the elk herds all through the central part of Idaho, general seasons don't help but what are you going to do, go door to door and tell every hunter in Idaho without a computer to stop hunting elk?
He didn't post this to gain any credibility or pose himself to be credible, which is quite the opposite of your continued condescending attitude.

I am saying Idaho has a good handle on both elk and wolf numbers and it is misleading to suggest that IDFG is not accurately reporting wolf population trends.  Wolf numbers continue to decline since their peak in 2009 in Idaho.  Given that we still have general seasons and wolf numbers are declining and many elk populations are doing just fine it is not logical to suggest that general seasons are going to go away in Idaho.  And I don't agree with your assessment of big problems all through the central part of Idaho.  Many parts of central Idaho are at or above population objectives.  Some areas have been hit hard like the Lolo, but it is not correct to say all of central Idaho has been impacted seriously by wolves. 

[wolfbait]

Wolf Numbers Underestimated
There are so many variables involved in attempting to estimate the total number of wolves in a state that any such estimate is prone to large errors even with the best information available. But when the existence of every wolf that has not been part of a "collared" pack is ignored, any such estimate is suspect. For example, local residents reported several wolf packs in Boise County yet FWS had documented only two. When the Team finally documented the existence of three more packs there were 2-1/2 times as many wolf packs as had been recorded and a similar increase in the number of breeding pairs – indicated both by pups and by yearlings that were born in the prior year and survived. Although FWS goes back and adjusts the number of breeding pairs for the prior year when this evidence is documented, this system always results in initially underestimating both total wolves and breeding pairs recovery goals in all three states were met at least 2-3 years before then current FWS estimates said they were, yet the actual number of breeding pairs was not admitted and recorded until after the fact.

"Ignore All But Known Breeding Pairs and Packs"
In his 1984 letter to Lobdell, Bangs listed the "key recovery issues that will be consistently presented to the public." Issue number 6 stated, "Only breeding pairs of wolves that have successfully raised young are important to the recovery of viable wolf populations. "At this time there is no such thing as a truly ‘confirmed’ wolf’ until it has been determined to have successfully raised young in the wild or has been captured, examined, and monitored with radio telemetry. (F)rom this dayforward we (will) use the strictest definition of confirmed wolf activity (i.e. individual wolves or members of packs that have been examined, radiocollared and monitored in the wild). "We should be comfortable with this definition in all phases of wolf recovery such as when discussing the criteria for use of an experimental rule or for delisting the species because the population viability criteria have been reached." (emphasis added)
http://www.idahoforwildlife.com/Website%20articles/George%20Dovel/The_Outdoorsman%2026%20January%202008%20full%20report.pdf

[wolfbait]

Panel Roundtable: Canadian Gray Wolf Introduction into Yellowstone
http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/03/10/panel-roundtable-canadian-gray-wolf-introduction-into-yellowstone/

AAP: So again, do any of you feel that there’s been a vast under representation of the actual number of wolves introduced by both Federal and State Officials?

BEERS: I have no doubt based on my 30-plus years with the federal government and my time with Fish and Game in Utah, that the people that work there have under-estimated those numbers regularly and purposefully. This whole affair began with the Endangered Species Act and the “wolf re-introduction”. There is employed this whole philosophy of redoing rural America into some sort of pre-Columbian nirvana and they all felt that was a very righteous cause and they have been underestimating and under counting for years. They do so with impunity because federal and most state employees are protected from any sort of responsibility for their actions in this regard. As long as they’re doing what appears to be a sound job and they have science claims or some sort of an environmental impact statement philosophy on their side, then they’re not really held accountable for anything that goes wrong or anything that they may overlook if they appear to be sincere in doing their jobs. Under-estimating the numbers plays into a whole range of hidden agendas with these organizations that are supported by private environmental concerns, whose employees believe it is their purpose in life to help get appropriated money when they’re able to get rid of hunting and fishing and trapping down the road. They look to wilderness and National Forest with the Park Service having large areas of responsibility for management of a refuge system which is intended to go the same way. All this has contributed to the starving of rural America. Making gun advocates seem extremist and making the use of guns less of a problem down the road. So, it’s all part of a larger agenda that does not bode well for Second Amendment rights, the future for rural Americans in general not to mention the gradual disappearance of grazing and logging lands. Underestimating the wolf count and the new problems they create plays right into that whole movement and philosophy.




Panel Roundtable: Canadian Gray Wolf Introduction into Yellowstone - See more at: http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/03/10/panel-roundtable-canadian-gray-wolf-introduction-into-yellowstone/#sthash.XV28vpL0.dpuf