The Green Scam of “Endangered Species”

[timberfaller]

  I see some don't read the reports ,  but hey, not everyone concerns themselves with what goes on around them.

IT is a new phrase in our "area" reports.

Yes Sage Grouse need habitat that is theirs,  but you don't find them in dense TIMBER.

So ask yourself this question, WHY would you add a statement into a report if it has NOTHING to do with the area being BURNED up??? pssssst, its called $$$$$$$$$$ trains

[jasnt]

The sage grouse is the next spotted owl    The only people on this earth that actually care about sage grouse are hunters. But ESA will use them to close lands and accesses.  Once again agenda 21 comes to mind

[Bean Counter]

Hang on guys, I'm reading about how a steak dinner is is a 'middle finger at the planet.' The low lying countries are going to flood because I eat protein and as our Dear Leader explained, global warming is the cause of ISIS

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/29/opinions/sutter-beef-suv-cliamte-two-degrees/index.html

But eating beef, as I'll explain, has come to be seen, rightly, in certain enviro circles, as the new SUV -- a hopelessly selfish, American indulgence; a middle finger to the planet. It's not the main driver of global warming -- that's burning fossil fuels for electricity, heat and transportation -- but it does contribute significantly.

Globally, 14.5% of all greenhouse gas pollution can be attributed to livestock, according to the U.N. Food and Agriculture Organization, the most reputable authority on this topic. And a huge hunk of the livestock industry's role -- 65% -- comes from raising beef and dairy cattle.

That's a bunch of crap. All mammals create greenhouse gases. As populations of wild animals decrease due to human encroachment, domesticated animals are of course going to become a more significant source. Even if it is just a bunch of cows, increased biomass of animals is a good thing for the planet.

If we just phased out coal alone, we would more than offset any greenhouse emissions from animals.

I think the point is that because of increased consumer demand that cattle are commercially pumped out in a breeding factory which artificially inflates their numbers on the range. They state that the manure runoff from large cattle operations devastates waterways and all that other jazz. Plus that animals are overgrazing grasslands. We should just do like the North Koreans and be grazing grass ourselves, I guess 

[AspenBud]

I see some don't read the reports ,  but hey, not everyone concerns themselves with what goes on around them.

IT is a new phrase in our "area" reports.

Yes Sage Grouse need habitat that is theirs,  but you don't find them in dense TIMBER.

So ask yourself this question, WHY would you add a statement into a report if it has NOTHING to do with the area being BURNED up??? pssssst, its called $$$$$$$$$$ trains

Yeah, lots of forest...

http://static.seattletimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/08152015-ChelanFire_04-300x192.jpg

Not everything that burned was timber.

I doubt the sage grouse will ever be listed Federally. Too many economic interests at play that would be negatively impacted. At the state level...that's another story. Though in Washington it would probably be too little too late and it has been for years. Development and less thoughtful agricultural practices have ensured that.

[Stein]

Randy Newberg just did a podcast on the grouse, interesting information on the decline and ESA issues.

[westsidehntr]

As the world changes, it is inevitable that some populations of animals will die off. See wooly mammoth (anyone want those around still), dinosaurs (if they ever existed), tons of smaller species, etc... Why get your panties in a wad over one little bird going extinct? Does it make any difference in the big picture?

[Curly]

As the world changes, it is inevitable that some populations of animals will die off. See wooly mammoth (anyone want those around still), dinosaurs (if they ever existed), tons of smaller species, etc... Why get your panties in a wad over one little bird going extinct? Does it make any difference in the big picture?

Wait a minute. Do you question that dinosaur's existed?

[timberfaller]

Quick question, has anyone seen a "sage grouse" in or around Chelan, Okanogan area?

I've seen lots of Blues and Ruffs,  in Douglas county I've hunted and seen "sage hens" and Sharptails.

Never seen a Sage Grouse(Prairie Chicken) that the Feds are trying to get listed.  Except in pictures, haven't traveled much in this country, too much a home body!

[bobcat]

I've seen sage grouse in Douglas county.

[westsidehntr]

As the world changes, it is inevitable that some populations of animals will die off. See wooly mammoth (anyone want those around still), dinosaurs (if they ever existed), tons of smaller species, etc... Why get your panties in a wad over one little bird going extinct? Does it make any difference in the big picture?

Wait a minute. Do you question that dinosaur's existed?

 

[magnanimous_j]

As the world changes, it is inevitable that some populations of animals will die off. See wooly mammoth (anyone want those around still), dinosaurs (if they ever existed), tons of smaller species, etc... Why get your panties in a wad over one little bird going extinct? Does it make any difference in the big picture?

Wait a minute. Do you question that dinosaur's existed?

If it turns out that westsidehntr doesn't believe that dinosaurs existed, I will feel like the biggest idiot on the planet for having wasted so much time arguing with this guy.

[westsidehntr]

As the world changes, it is inevitable that some populations of animals will die off. See wooly mammoth (anyone want those around still), dinosaurs (if they ever existed), tons of smaller species, etc... Why get your panties in a wad over one little bird going extinct? Does it make any difference in the big picture?

Wait a minute. Do you question that dinosaur's existed?

If it turns out that westsidehntr doesn't believe that dinosaurs existed, I will feel like the biggest idiot on the planet for having wasted so much time arguing with this guy.

  The evidence is pretty hard to deny. As for the bold part of your statement, that's still up for debate. 

[Knocker of rocks]

Another question to always ask, is how long ago did the dinosaurs exist?

[westsidehntr]

Sorry for derailing the thread onto Trex.

[Knocker of rocks]

Sorry for derailing the thread onto Trex.

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