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Re: Looking to buy a diesel
« Reply #60 on: April 16, 2014, 10:42:37 AM »
Its funny I know of lots of 6.0 that have lasted  :dunno: my father in law had 3 and all of them hit 300k with no major problems. I have see others that where chipped that had to have head studs put in and egr problems. I looked into them a lot and from what I have learned is keep good fuel in them and dont hot rod them. If your going to be hard on them throw the head stids in and upgrade the egr first. :twocents:
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Re: Looking to buy a diesel
« Reply #61 on: April 16, 2014, 11:05:04 AM »
Ford did change motors from 2003 to 2010 .They tried the 6.0 and the 6.4/ Both made by Navistar. Both junk. The 7.3 was bullet proof. No other manufacturer has had the same great results with a diesel.

The 7.3 Powerstroke is a Navistar motor too... so were the 6.9 IDI and the 7.3 IDI motors that preceeded it.  Ford used IH/Navistar engines from 1982 through the end of the 6.4, whenever that was.

Navistar doesn't build junk.  It was the questionable engineering by both companies to take what was originally a solid industrial diesel design and make it compete on power output in the "torque wars" while passing emissions.  Navistar had a v-6 commercial diesel based on the 6.0 called the VT265 that has a reputation as a solid engine.

I have a 2006 6.0 and like it.  Been pretty problem free for me other than the standard issues.  It is "bone stock" and haven't paid a penny out of my pocket for breakdowns or anything else above routine maintenance.  I watch it closely for signs of trouble, but haven't seen them yet.  Been a good truck, plenty of power (4.10's help) and gets great mileage.

  I realize the 7.3 is Navistar. I did not say Navistar is junk, I said the 6.0 is junk. Find a dealer that will not agree with that and they do not sell trucks. There is very few dealerships that will take one in take one in on trade if so give very much for it. They can't sell them in used condition. If you got one that has no trouble you got lucky and probably do not work it hard. I have heard of a few that have been alright, Those that are do not get used as a superduty. More like a everyday driving to work vehicle. There are class action lawsuits in regards to the 6.0 Liter. Every manufacturer in the owrld who turns over alot of different prodl have a lemon now and again. Even a masarati,jaguar,BMW, Mercedes. None are exempt. I have owned chevy's all of my life. The fords DO last longer and hold up better if you work them HARD. Chevy trucks are plush,quiet and very nice to drive, Just do not put them to work doing alot of heavy towing and keep door pins and bushings handy.

My god.....I work on these every day, along with a fleet of GM products. The 6.0 isn't junk. Damn, it just gets old listening to those that go by rumors and band wagons, the friggen sheep herd is huge.
The 6.0 has issues that are Ford related, not international always.  Its a confusing engine to most. Its an engine that needs PROPER maintenance, Jifffy lube and oil can Henry's isn't proper maint.
The motor was designed to operate within a certain curve, Ford upped it some and then a handful of the aftermarket manufactures made bolt on power adders for a portion of the populace that do not have any clue how to operate any diesel engine, in any platform.
I can throw problems with the gm diesel for every one that's throw for the 6.0.
If I had a 6.0, pulled the egr system off, added a tuner, pulled vantage hill with 10k on the bumper at 70mph, didn't maintain the simple fluids with correct fluids, didn't spend the monies to get the various modules updated and the damn thing broke, it would be my fault for treating it like a gassed rig and just being a plain ignorant fool.
Many places take 6.0 in on trade, those that do actually spend some time to see if previous owner was a hack, if that owner was it goes to the wholesale lo and if not it gets sold.
And, compare heui to piezzo injectors before trashing one over anothe, almost as equal as comparing a 1960's carbed 283 to a z4 engine.
Buy a 6.0 off a manufacturer lot, not some truck super store down the street.The manufacturer lots sell probable problems to a wholesaler and are bought by car lots.

I'd love to see side by side comparison list of the problems GM Duramax and Ford 6.0l had in the same era. Just for my own personal knowledge.

I'd also like to ask, would you buy a 6.0l Ford in good condition bone stock form knowing you could not do any of the repairs on it yourself? I understand you can but just imagine your the guy that can't do the repairs on these trucks would you still buy the 6.0 over the others?
To many variables  and various issues to compare, they're designed, fabricated, build, used and maintained by a human, its going to fail. They all have they're own issues.
I work on them in a fleet environment, not a dealer. They 6.0 is yesterdays technology replaced by the 6.4 and 6.7. In all reality, the 6.0 is cheaper and easier to fix, no different then a 7.3 idi is cheaper and easier than a 6.0.
I personally like the early 6.0. Has the good round fin, round tubed egr coolers, straight High press oil rail, better hpop, no stand pipes and slightly higher compression. But, the injectors were failure prone, early turbo had a bushing issue, ficm soldering issues,  gp harness was impossible to remove,  orange egr cooler hose failed often and down pipe fitment issues.
I have an 03' and all those items have been taken care of. Have 140k on stock head studs, run a tuner BUT, mirrors get usedto watch the exhaust pipe and when black smoke starts the foot rolls off the throttle. Yes it cost some to get new inj and I'm 100% sure I'll be putting studs in it at some point.
Really bad thing on Chevs, the cost of emission parts replacement. They are by far more finicky to long idle times and are a maint nightmare. But, nice smooth power, quiet and ride like a car. But then again, utilizing rubber jounces on the front end to add spring rate is one odd assed deal. Replace those about every 20k.

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Re: Looking to buy a diesel
« Reply #62 on: April 16, 2014, 11:16:22 AM »
Why someone has not bought this is beyond me.  If I needed a rig I would be on this like stink on pooooo....

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,150478.msg1998304.html#msg1998304

Its a twenty year old rig with less power then a present day 1/2 ton gasser at 50% of the price of a new 1/2 ton gas.

You are clueless if you think a new half ton could out pull that 7.3.  :yike:

That year 7.3L had 425lb-ft of torque  a new eco boost has 420lb-ft. The ford 6.2L has 434 of torque.  Those old power strokes were gutless stock. Can they be pumped up sure.
I dare anyone to find any other (STOCK) diesel truck out there with 400,000 miles than can hold up to my F350 . Original Turbo. The only thing I have replaced was the Tranny at 275,000 and injectors at 300,000.
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Re: Looking to buy a diesel
« Reply #63 on: April 16, 2014, 06:41:44 PM »

I'd love to see side by side comparison list of the problems GM Duramax and Ford 6.0l had in the same era. Just for my own personal knowledge.


My 2006 Duramax has 250K, replaced injectors and that well is about all, oil change at every 3K, got a sweet oil change for life thrown in by Lithia of Alaska when I bought it..  Figure 60+ oil changes for free - hello - no wonder that dealer hates me when I show up...

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Re: Looking to buy a diesel
« Reply #64 on: April 16, 2014, 06:43:14 PM »
U sure that's the reason? :chuckle:
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Re: Looking to buy a diesel
« Reply #65 on: April 16, 2014, 08:34:09 PM »
Vehicles cost alot of money and we should expect alot. But if you think about it the technology of today is pretty amazing and vehicles are pretty damn good.  Its gotta be hard to make a vehicle that will hold up to the winters of north dakota, the summers of arizona and the humidity of the south.  American comsumers are very demanding.

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Re: Looking to buy a diesel
« Reply #66 on: April 16, 2014, 08:45:40 PM »

I'd love to see side by side comparison list of the problems GM Duramax and Ford 6.0l had in the same era. Just for my own personal knowledge.


My 2006 Duramax has 250K, replaced injectors and that well is about all, oil change at every 3K, got a sweet oil change for life thrown in by Lithia of Alaska when I bought it..  Figure 60+ oil changes for free - hello - no wonder that dealer hates me when I show up...

Love my 06 Duramax with the LBZ engine. One of the most sought after diesels on the market.173,000 and runs like a champ. Almost always 18 mpg just running around. Hand calculated. Was really disapointed my last tank though. Got 16 mpg. Wont get fuel at that place anymore.  Front hubs and an alternator are the only things replaced on it. Besides regular maintenance. Its rare for the LBZ to have an injector or head gasket issue like some of the earlier model Dmaxs. Love the ride, comfort, quietness and power of it!

 


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