Initiatives 594 and 591

[PNW_Hunter]

Why not vote no on both 

It won't work that way. To beat 594, you MUST pass 591, and vote against 594.

That's the ONLY way to deliver the message that gun rights are not for sale around here.

 

Keep up the fight. Got my Yes on 591 and No on 594 bumper sticker the other day. Protect our rights!

[huntnphool]

591....You Keep Your Gun.....594...They Kick Down Your Door

Works for me

[Elkaholic daWg]

from the Low information/jackbooted bunch today....................
could they be worried?
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Garlin Gilchrist II, MoveOn.org Political Actio 
 
 
 


Dear Jim,
I'm Lauren Hipp of MomsRising.org, and I started a petition to Governor Jay Inslee , which says:

 "I pledge to vote YES on I-594 for universal background checks on gun sales in our state!" 
Sign Lauren's petition

The shootings at Seattle Pacific University and Reynolds Arthur Academy in Oregon just a few weeks ago broke our hearts. Washington State moms and dads have never been more concerned about gun safety, and never more ready for common sense reform of our gun laws to protect our kids and communities.

This Spring, the gun lobby killed a bill in our state legislature ensuring that all gun sales go through the same criminal background check system. Initiative 594 takes this simple, commonsense, life-saving reform directly to the voters – US!

 We need 126,380 Washingtonians to pledge their votes by the end of August to make Washington safer – that's 10 percent of the votes we need to win on Initiative 594. Pledging now shows your commitment and helps encourage others to pledge as well so we can build momentum and exceed the number of votes we need by Election Day!

Initiative 594 won't completely eliminate gun violence – but it's a simple and effective step that we can take this year to make our children and families safer, and together, we can make it happen.

Pledge now!

[pianoman9701]

One of the huge pitfalls of 594 are the waiting times of up to 60 days before a sale is approved. And, that's 60 days after the FFL submits for the background check. Where this bill passed, the strain on our state's FFLs, which is already creating gridlock, would increase exponentially and it may be 3-6 months before the application is even submitted. There is no language in the bill for a time requirement for submission.

Then let's say the background check is denied. Before the FFL returns the gun to the original owner, he must pass his own background check. If he fails, the FFL will be required by law to retain the firearm and hand it over to authorities, effectively making FFLs an arm of LE for both state and federal jurisdiction. This, along with what is an unreasonably long waiting period for someone to exercise a Constitutional right, may be the undoing of the law Constitutionally. To deny someone access to a firearm for this amount of time is unreasonable.

[pianoman9701]

Why not vote no on both 

It won't work that way. To beat 594, you MUST pass 591, and vote against 594.

That's the ONLY way to deliver the message that gun rights are not for sale around here.

If both pass, the state supreme court will have to sort out the background check issue since they both have different requirements.

[huntrights]

I-594 is an attack on our rights and freedoms.

The Devil is in the Details:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,156040.0.html

The Scam Artist
http://www.nrapublications.org/index.php/17946/the-scam-artist/

VOTE NO on I-594 - The ANTI-GUN Initiative

VOTE YES on I-591 - Protect Our Gun Rights
http://wagunrights.org/

[poopooheaddad]

lets not forget to get our voting ballets in tonight must be post marked by midnight tonight,
It is our duty, no itching later if you dont vote

[turkeyfeather]

So I have just finished reading all 18 pages of I 594. Has anyone read it all yet? I am glad I did, cause not everything that is being said here on ole HuntWa appears to be true. Don't get me wrong I am in no way supporting or advocating support of it. However we do need to be educated about it and know what we are fighting. If we look or sound like we are not informed we will be made to look like fools. As a side note did you all see the extra tax bs stuffed in the back of the bill. This whole bill has nothing to do with keeping guns out of the wrong hands and is only about money.

[Bob33]

One of the huge pitfalls of 594 are the waiting times of up to 60 days before a sale is approved. And, that's 60 days after the FFL submits for the background check. Where this bill passed, the strain on our state's FFLs, which is already creating gridlock, would increase exponentially and it may be 3-6 months before the application is even submitted. There is no language in the bill for a time requirement for submission.

Then let's say the background check is denied. Before the FFL returns the gun to the original owner, he must pass his own background check. If he fails, the FFL will be required by law to retain the firearm and hand it over to authorities, effectively making FFLs an arm of LE for both state and federal jurisdiction. This, along with what is an unreasonably long waiting period for someone to exercise a Constitutional right, may be the undoing of the law Constitutionally. To deny someone access to a firearm for this amount of time is unreasonable.

Does that interpretation conflict with this?

(a) The seller or transferor shall deliver the firearm to a licensed dealer to process the sale or transfer as if it is selling or transferring the firearm from its inventory to the purchaser or transferee, except that the unlicensed seller or transferor may remove the firearm from the business premises of the licensed dealer while the background check is being conducted. If the seller or transferor removes the firearm from the business premises of the licensed dealer while the background check is being conducted, the purchaser or transferee and the seller or transferor shall return to the business premises of the licensed dealer and the seller or transferor shall again deliver the firearm to the licensed dealer prior to completing the sale or transfer.

[luvmystang67]

Below are a couple of exemptions (where its okay to loan), looks like it is still okay to loan a gun to your buddy for hunting.   One place I get caught up though... For a minor to hunt alone, I believe the minimum age is 14 or at least it used to be.  Regardless, it looks like here, while its legal to hunt alone at 14, if you can't buy a gun or own a gun and you can't possess a gun without direct supervision... then they've pretty much made it so you can't hunt alone until you're 18 unless you're packing bow.  Anybody else see this?

Also, what if you loan your gun to a buddy to sight in and shoot for a while before the season opens?  That appears to be illegal under this.


These are some exemptions (where a transfer is legal):

(iv) to a person who is under eighteen years of age for lawful hunting, sporting, or educational purposes while under the direct supervision and control of a responsible adult who is not prohibited from possessing firearms; or (v) while hunting if the hunting is legal in all places where the person to whom the firearm is transferred possesses the firearm and the person to whom the firearm is transferred has completed all training and holds all licenses or permits required for such hunting, provided that any temporary transfer allowed by this subsection is permitted only if the person to whom the firearm is transferred is not prohibited from possessing firearms under state or federal law; or

[turkeyfeather]

Below are a couple of exemptions (where its okay to loan), looks like it is still okay to loan a gun to your buddy for hunting.   One place I get caught up though... For a minor to hunt alone, I believe the minimum age is 14 or at least it used to be.  Regardless, it looks like here, while its legal to hunt alone at 14, if you can't buy a gun or own a gun and you can't possess a gun without direct supervision... then they've pretty much made it so you can't hunt alone until you're 18 unless you're packing bow.  Anybody else see this?

Also, what if you loan your gun to a buddy to sight in and shoot for a while before the season opens?  That appears to be illegal under this.


These are some exemptions (where a transfer is legal):

(iv) to a person who is under eighteen years of age for lawful hunting, sporting, or educational purposes while under the direct supervision and control of a responsible adult who is not prohibited from possessing firearms; or (v) while hunting if the hunting is legal in all places where the person to whom the firearm is transferred possesses the firearm and the person to whom the firearm is transferred has completed all training and holds all licenses or permits required for such hunting, provided that any temporary transfer allowed by this subsection is permitted only if the person to whom the firearm is transferred is not prohibited from possessing firearms under state or federal law; or

I also noticed the age discrepency. As far as your buddy scenario, he can sight it in at a range as long as you are there. At least that is how I read it.

[luvmystang67]

Looks like a lot of my friends will be on their way to and from Coyote hunting all year round.

[snowpack]

Below are a couple of exemptions (where its okay to loan), looks like it is still okay to loan a gun to your buddy for hunting.   One place I get caught up though... For a minor to hunt alone, I believe the minimum age is 14 or at least it used to be.  Regardless, it looks like here, while its legal to hunt alone at 14, if you can't buy a gun or own a gun and you can't possess a gun without direct supervision... then they've pretty much made it so you can't hunt alone until you're 18 unless you're packing bow.  Anybody else see this?

Also, what if you loan your gun to a buddy to sight in and shoot for a while before the season opens?  That appears to be illegal under this.


These are some exemptions (where a transfer is legal):

(iv) to a person who is under eighteen years of age for lawful hunting, sporting, or educational purposes while under the direct supervision and control of a responsible adult who is not prohibited from possessing firearms; or (v) while hunting if the hunting is legal in all places where the person to whom the firearm is transferred possesses the firearm and the person to whom the firearm is transferred has completed all training and holds all licenses or permits required for such hunting, provided that any temporary transfer allowed by this subsection is permitted only if the person to whom the firearm is transferred is not prohibited from possessing firearms under state or federal law; or

I also noticed the age discrepency. As far as your buddy scenario, he can sight it in at a range as long as you are there. At least that is how I read it.

I thought it had to be a range with approved supervisors?  What about sharing a rifle at a gravel pit?

[turkeyfeather]

Below are a couple of exemptions (where its okay to loan), looks like it is still okay to loan a gun to your buddy for hunting.   One place I get caught up though... For a minor to hunt alone, I believe the minimum age is 14 or at least it used to be.  Regardless, it looks like here, while its legal to hunt alone at 14, if you can't buy a gun or own a gun and you can't possess a gun without direct supervision... then they've pretty much made it so you can't hunt alone until you're 18 unless you're packing bow.  Anybody else see this?

Also, what if you loan your gun to a buddy to sight in and shoot for a while before the season opens?  That appears to be illegal under this.


These are some exemptions (where a transfer is legal):

(iv) to a person who is under eighteen years of age for lawful hunting, sporting, or educational purposes while under the direct supervision and control of a responsible adult who is not prohibited from possessing firearms; or (v) while hunting if the hunting is legal in all places where the person to whom the firearm is transferred possesses the firearm and the person to whom the firearm is transferred has completed all training and holds all licenses or permits required for such hunting, provided that any temporary transfer allowed by this subsection is permitted only if the person to whom the firearm is transferred is not prohibited from possessing firearms under state or federal law; or

I also noticed the age discrepency. As far as your buddy scenario, he can sight it in at a range as long as you are there. At least that is how I read it.

I thought it had to be a range with approved supervisors?  What about sharing a rifle at a gravel pit?

That is the question. I have not seen a definition of a so called state authorized range.

[Bob33]

One place I get caught up though... For a minor to hunt alone, I believe the minimum age is 14 or at least it used to be. 

There is no minimum hunting age in Washington state. As long as you have passed hunter education and are otherwise legal, you can hunt at any age, alone or accompanied.