Wolf in klickitat

[Special T]

Just playing devils advocate... How/why did it happen that when they imported the wolves into ID they didn't get the proper import permits? No one lost their job then?

[pianoman9701]

I'm done.

[wolfbait]

The liability to an individual or individuals involved in moving animals without doing the required EIS and quarantines would qualify any state official as insane for doing so, never mind a conspiracy that would be required to accomplish it. And, there's nothing in the budget to do it through the correct path, nor has there been any plan submitted to the legislature. I would find it astronomically unlikely that this has happened by a state employee or agency, or has been sanctioned by such.

Could someone from Wolf Haven have released wolves? Possibly. There was also a wolf hybrid breeder in Amboy or Chelachie Prairie several years ago who lost fencing and subsequently released several wolf hybrids. Whether or not they were all recovered, I have no idea. In addition, wolves move great distances, as we say with the pair that moved into No. CA from E. OR. I have no trouble believing that wolves could have traveled to Klickitat from other parts of WA on their own. A wolf pack in the So. Cascades has been part of the adopted wolf plan all along.

The transplant theories are way out of whack with the realities of performing them.

If folks from Wolf Haven etc. are releasing wolves, then WDFW are supplying them with WDFW rigs, because all of the wolf releases I have learned of, were from WDFW pickups, or trailers pulled by WDFW rigs. Just about all of them there was a semi truck loaded with wolf crates just out of Spokane at a rest stop headed for the ONP.

[pianoman9701]

Please confirm this with pictures and/or video so we can take the evidence to the Attorney General and pursue criminal charges for those involved. Otherwise, legally, it didn't happen. I certainly think that if someone saw this happening, the first thing they'd have done would have been to take out their phone and photograph it, so they must be somewhere. 

[grousefether]

Even if there was video/picture evidence its unlikely anything would be done. Im convinced it would be swept under the rug somehow. My guess is the statement would say they were relocating problem yotes ha ha ha! Its just getting harder and harder to believe anything that falls out of there mouth

[pianoman9701]

Even if there was video/picture evidence its unlikely anything would be done. Im convinced it would be swept under the rug somehow. My guess is the statement would say they were relocating problem yotes ha ha ha! Its just getting harder and harder to believe anything that falls out of there mouth

If I had verifiable video or photographic evidence, I would take it to the AG. A great many of us would. The problem is that if there's no evidence, then most reasonable people wouldn't believe that anyone in their right mind would expose themselves to the repercussions of doing this outside of established procedure for trans-locating wildlife. If it happened and was witnessed, there must be photographic evidence.

[motg9_6]

I can't count the times I've been in the woods with no camera or cell phone. Something about being out there unplugged appeals to me more than others I guess.

[REHJWA]

It's hard for me to think the government would do it in secret with wolves being such a greenie vote getter....

[wolfbait]

It's interesting that some people don't believe that the USFWS, and WDFW are supplying wolves to WA, after seeing the USFWS dump wolves in other states, hell they even bred up the fake mexican wolf and then dumped them in the middle of cattle country.

Look at WDFW's protection of predators. Does anyone remember when WDFW stopped the cougar hunting during deer season, the one time a year when there are more people in the woods then any other time. Can anyone explain WDFW's reasoning there? Then you have WDFW's own status of the endangered wolves in WA, thats after the feds delist.

If WDFW actually cared about the ungulates they would open up the seasons on predators that aren't protected to the point that they would be balanced to fit their prey base.

[pianoman9701]

They don't need to "supply" them. They're coming in all on their own. You can easily see from the dispersion of packs from where they're emanating. Even ignoring regard for the hugely expensive process required by law (law which was followed in the aforementioned transplants), an individual government employee taking this on at the risk of not only his job but fines and even imprisonment is almost inconceivable. Again, I wouldn't put it past Wolf Haven or some other wolf rescue facility. But whatever the government employees are (WDFW, USF, USFWS), they're not stupid.

Predator management IS severely lacking in WA and an entirely different topic from a supposed covert wolf transplanting conspiracy.

[idahohuntr]

They don't need to "supply" them. They're coming in all on their own. You can easily see from the dispersion of packs from where they're emanating. Even ignoring regard for the hugely expensive process required by law (law which was followed in the aforementioned transplants), an individual government employee taking this on at the risk of not only his job but fines and even imprisonment is almost inconceivable. Again, I wouldn't put it past Wolf Haven or some other wolf rescue facility. But whatever the government employees are (WDFW, USF, USFWS), they're not stupid.

 

[wolfbait]

They don't need to "supply" them. They're coming in all on their own. You can easily see from the dispersion of packs from where they're emanating. Even ignoring regard for the hugely expensive process required by law (law which was followed in the aforementioned transplants), an individual government employee taking this on at the risk of not only his job but fines and even imprisonment is almost inconceivable. Again, I wouldn't put it past Wolf Haven or some other wolf rescue facility. But whatever the government employees are (WDFW, USF, USFWS), they're not stupid.

Predator management IS severely lacking in WA and an entirely different topic from a supposed covert wolf transplanting conspiracy.

"They don't need to "supply" them. They're coming in all on their own."

I wish you were right Planoman. Maybe a few cross over on the state borders but the majority of the wolves get a free ride into WA and anywhere else wolves are desired. 

[pianoman9701]

Again, I'm certainly no wolf lover, but if there's no pictures, it might as well be Bigfoot. There's plenty of things i don't like about the WDFW. I'm not going to go after them for something that'll put a tinfoil hat on my head for all to see. Show me the pics!

[notawolffan]

Three or four separate occasions I have seen a wolf. Not one of the times was I able to get my cell phone or camera out in time to take a photo. The second time I did have confirmation from someone else who also saw the wolf, that it was indeed a wolf. That time the wolf ran across the road in front of me, slinking from one side to the other like a rat. It obviously could smell us and was trying to be as inconspicuous as possible. On a logging road it takes one second for a wolf to cross. On a two lane road maybe two seconds. Two seconds is not enough time to get your phone out of your pocket, enter your password, choose your camera app, focus and take a shot. No way. I saw what looked like a wolf cross in front of me on Spirit Lake Highway last week. Totally freaked me out. I was looking out for deer, driving up to Silver Lake, just passed a dead deer on the side of the road, something ran across the road in front of me, it was big like a deer but dark, didn't run like a deer. Saw it in silhouette crossing the road, maybe it was a dog but it wasn't near a house. By the time I pulled over at the side of the road it was gone. Turned around and went back but there was no sign of it.  I know what I saw. Just because you didn't take a picture of it doesn't mean it didn't happen. What if that was the level of proof we required for automobile accidents? 'Officer he ran a red light.' 'Did you take a picture of it?' 'No there wasn't time.' 'Well then I guess he didn't run a red light, did he?' You can't always take a picture of what you see. Doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[motg9_6]

It's amazing what we did before cells phones and technology